totally agree. i'm trying to say that sometimes here. like try to be humble. dividing people into us and them is not helpfull. I also don't like attitude like "bitcoin solves everything". no its not.
I don't like to talk general. Ask something specific.
> How much of this have you studied? Around Donbass, etc?
I live in Ukraine, I saw the events with my own eyes.
> From a position of the west promising not to move an inch to the east of Germany— they did Jr. and Clinton.
Know nothing about that, can't comment.
> Ukraine joining NATO was a known 16 year redline.
Finland joined NATO just recently and has thousand kilometers border with Russia. NATO can't be any closer to rusia, look at the map. So, where is the response from putin? putin knows that NATO is not a threat, its just bla bla bla.
> The Maidan coup.
So? Say something specific about Maidan,
I don't understand guys why do you think this interview will be banned or something. What putin says in this interview he says million times in other videos. You can find all his speeches easily.
I think bitcoiners just usual people. Not better not worse
Where did you get that? give proof.
If all male were "forced" to join war Ukraine would have like 7-8 million solders )
Right or wrong Putin is very intelligent. If one listens to John Mearsheimer’s 2015 talk ‘why Ukraine is the West’s fault?’ and Oliver Stone’s interviews, and much of public record, one can derive some of the Russian angst with Western pressure challenges, broken ‘not an inch to the East’ promises, not by Bush senior but by Jr. and Clinton NATO expansion that landed on a well known red line issue of no NATO Ukraine. He does touch on Broken Money. Worth watching end to end: https://rumble.com/v4c98yf-tucker-carlson-x-vladimir-putin-interview.html
It can't justify invading sovereign country. Why he invaded Ukraine and not NATO country then?
услышал смешную фразу - социальная сеть Хы )
so person who says that Zelensky father who was born 1947 was a WWII soldier is competent in your opinion?
BTW what I said is not about history, it was about general logic. How territory can have or not have historical connection with country if he one minute ago said that country never existed.
You know, talking general we can't find truth. way better in my opinion is to analyze facts, verify it with different sources then make conclusion.
can you give more details - what country you are talking about, which NATO base and why do you think its illegal?
in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__EPqhMrFQ
putin says - "russia recognized the borders of modern day Ukraine". That is 2008.
So is this coherent with what he said in Tucker interview?
You said that Putins interview was very coherent. Can you please explain me something. In the interview (16:45) putin said that bolsheviks established Soviet Ukraine which was never existed before. Probably he means Ukraine never existed because otherwise his words doesn't make sense. Then he said (17:40) that Lenin give Ukraine territory (Black Sea region) which has no historical connection with Ukraine. So - how can territory can have no HISTORICAL connection with Ukraine which never existed before?
I have struggle to understand this logic.
I watched 20 minutes. this "historical part" of the interview is such a shame. "Lenin created Ukraine." God, don't embarrass yourself by calling Putin sane ) I don't know, ask a historian you know who understands European history to comment on this part of the interview.
Whatever they wanted to achieve, they didn't stop shooting/shelling the donbas for 10 years. "Revolution of dignity" for me, democide for thee.
On the topic of who sponsored the coup, after a decade and close to hundred billion of "aid" from the west, I can only add this to the picture as it is painfully obvious already who owns the Kiev regime:
https://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2014/03/ukraine-gold-reserve-put-on-plane-for.html
The plunder goes to the conquerors.
so, your article said:
"According to the iskra-news.info last night , Ukrainian ..."
Lets look what is iskra-news.info:
I can't even find About section.
Sorry, don't see the point in continuing this conversation.
it depends what is your goal. As a person who have been listening to Putin 20 years I'd say no. If your goal is to understand him learn facts and stories. not his words. there are lots of them - Chechnya war, Magnitsky, Nemtsov and so on.
1. As I understand from you answer you can't give me the proof that "the kiev gov was shelling their own citizens from day 1 of the maydan coup?". If I'm wrong please give.
2. Russia annexed Crimea. Russia organized seizing gov buildings in Donbass.
And then Ukraine started shelling their own citizen in Donbass, where as you confirmed there were russian-backed forces. What Ukraine gov was trying to achieve in our opinion?
3. Can you give me some proof or sources that maidan was sponsored by the west? and that should be proof, not someones opinion.
can you please give the source of this news?