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Tommy "The Purchase"
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I'd rather be in on a good system based on individual values and the value of the individual.

I have asked excessively but as yet, nobody has been able to give a satisfactory explanation as to how regular people (also known as filthy, worthless "voters") profit from the government that enslaves them holding large amounts of BTC and not using it to peg their paper garbage currency to it.

Clever bastard, and I'm not referring to Schiff.

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I asked ChatGPT: If God were to create an ideal money for humanity, what form would it take and what would be its properties?

Its response:

If we imagine God creating an ideal money for humanity, it would likely have the following properties—reflecting principles of fairness, stability, and universal access:

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1. Universally Accessible

•Everyone could use it regardless of nationality, wealth, or social status.

•No barriers to entry: you wouldn’t need permission from banks or governments.

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2. Scarce but Divisible

•Supply would be finite to preserve value over time.

•Divisible into very small units so that both large and tiny transactions are possible.

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3. Durable and Permanent

•It would not degrade, rot, or disappear with time.

•Value would persist for centuries without requiring trust in any authority.

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4. Transportable and Borderless

•Easily transferable across any distance, instantly if possible.

•Works the same everywhere on Earth (and potentially beyond).

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5. Neutral and Trustless

•No single group, government, or elite could manipulate or control it.

•Rules of issuance and supply would be transparent and unchangeable.

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6. Stable but Free Market–Based

•Its value would reflect supply and demand, not decrees from rulers.

•Over time, its stability would come from broad adoption and trust.

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7. Private but Verifiable

•People could transact without surveillance, yet the system itself would remain auditable and incorruptible.

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8. Energy-Rooted or Natural-Law–Anchored

•It would be tied to something fundamental, like energy, mathematics, or nature’s scarcity—so its properties are unforgeable.

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9. Resistant to Corruption

•Cannot be counterfeited, debased, or inflated at will.

•Protects savers and workers from hidden theft through money printing.

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10. Global Standard of Truth

•Serves as a universal language of value across cultures.

•Creates fairness by aligning incentives: work today is worth the same tomorrow.

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In many ways, this description maps almost perfectly onto Bitcoin’s design: fixed supply (21 million), infinite divisibility (sats), borderless transfer, neutrality (no issuer), cryptographic verifiability, durability, and energy-based security.

If God created an ideal money, humanity may already have stumbled into it—or at least something very close.

So AI speaks for God himself now?

Those are human words, entirely accurate of course, but human nonetheless.

I know of that strategy, thanks for sharing šŸ‘ŒšŸ»

Trouble is, not only do we save more than most people are able to but my wife and I have a household income roughly 2.5x the median in our country and we still have an incredibly hard time getting ahead in any way.

I guess since neither of us was born into wealth and neither of us is a one-in-a-million super-genius, we're just doomed to stay lower-middle-class tenants forever šŸ˜…

Knowing your price is good in principle but refusing what are essentially tips or donations for being too small is as dumb as it is arrogant šŸ˜„ I would accept any amount or course but I'm simply not doing KYC, if it isn't hacked by some lowlife some other lowlife in the service of the government will come snooping at some point, especially as soon as they can't find anyone to lend them the money they've just printed anymore.

(If the last sentence sounds confusing, I recommend "The Mystery of Banking" by Murray N. Rothbard)

It ought to be a minimum of 100, maybe it's time to switch wallets - anybody know a good self-custodial lightning wallet?

Haha, far be it from me, no my wallet doesn't seem to work as well as I would like it to šŸ˜„

Oh dear, not on purpose, I'm using Misty Breez, a self-custodial wallet with a minimum transaction amount of 100 sats, the 10000 might be some (new?) setting I haven't figured out yet - thanks for letting me know!

The relative utopia we could be living in is unfathomable.

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Saving in gold and bitcoin does help, especially in the long run but most, if not all, of the money saved in those forms of hard money is being earned in fiat, so everyday spending money becomes worth less and less, lowering purchasing power and standard of living even for us enlightened few able to save the value they've created.

I'm not trying to be a contrarian, my question is whether anyone knows of a feasible way to escape that hell and not starve to death while sitting on gold coins that, once spent, become less and less replacable because of monthly pay cuts.

In theory, those currencies could still be tied to gold again to at least stop further inflation, maybe at the cost of bankrupting a corrupt government here and there.

In practice, the only way out of hyperinflation seems to be leading straight through

So ... was the kid already on the swing when you took it home? 😜

On that note, you should check on your neighbour, you know, the one who doesn't quite look like you - I think he's plotting to do nasty things to you. Oh and the gas station clerk is right now buying his seventh rolex with the money he tricked you out of, might be worth grabbing a fork and spoon and checking in on him.

Fair point, especially in the east I wouldn't be able to understand them but I am following the goings-on in France, Spain, Britain, Germany, Austria, and Switzerland and I can name Tommy Robinson in Britain and Martin Sellner in Austria, that's two in roughly 30 countries that might match the infamy of Charlie Kirk and I sure am actively looking for people like that, even though Kirk and the other two aren't exactly part of the liberty movement.

Shitcoins obviously aren't a solution to anything long-term in any way but my monthly budget to buy BTC is rapidly decreasing because everything else is getting ever more expensive.

I already make about 1.9x the median income of my country and I still can't get out of the fiat trap.

Personally, I've recently realized that my only chance of living and retiring like my blue-collar grandparents is by hoping for and surviving a complete societal and economic collapse in almost all of Europe (Except Switzerland and Norway) leading to a black-plague-like redistribution of economic influence and once again enabling something resembling a meritocracy rather than this neo-feudalistic caste system in which you are doomed to stay at the level of wealth you were born at or most likely below.

I may be the Purchase but I can't afford anything.

If I had my choice, I'd pick the 60s but if it's the 80s or today, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

I do think it's strange that people both older AND younger than me understand fuck all about computers.

A quick and simple read on the topic would be "What has government done to our money?" by Murray N. Rothbard. If you want to go chin-deep, try "Human Action" by Ludwig von Mises.

Lovely, that's exactly how much I have.

You know, sometimes you encounter situations where there simply aren't any good guys, sometimes all sides are messed up and evil. Like the early 20th century German national socialists fighting communists in the streets - both sides were monstrous abominations and in the end, one of them won. Similar things can be said about lots of political and inter-state conflicts like, say, India and Pakistan (the governments, not the people, of course), the Warsaw pact and NATO, the French royalists and the revolutionary terrorists, Castro and Batista, Rome and Carthage, and many more

Well, I think the energy "market" is mostly two large gangs fighting for dominance so all the nitpicky terminology is nothing but marketing and therefore entirely meaningless. That's how come hydro is considered "green" (and therefore sacred or holy or whatever) while the most modern nuclear plant is considered to be on par with the dirtiest, unfiltered, late 19th century coal power plant.

I'll have a look, does that one also have a minimum amount of 100 sats?

My grandparents were so stupid they would've eaten gravel marinated in brake fluid if some politician had told them to.

I’m living a nice and wholesome life

I wake up every morning without setting any alarm and do what I love all day long

But I’m still pissed off that I joined a revolution that never happened

Everything we used to say that would happen with Bitcoin went down the drain

Now it’s a stonk, just an instrument to speculate on in hopes of making more US dollars

It didn’t progress towards becoming a currency that competes with the dollar

It didn’t progress technically to encourage freedom fighters around the world to use it

Outside of making more dollars, there’s nothing that it does that other networks do better

It doesn’t have a killer use case anymore

The user experience sucks compared to fintech

All we have is hope that the ship will eventually turn around

But even the OGs who joined for ideological reasons seem to be selling

So who remains to defend the principles of the early days?

Who will still want to end the Fed when the Fed is making you more US dollars?

I don’t even see my friends around anymore, they either turned into insufferable suits or else they left the space

It’s depressing, really. This is not what many of us signed up for and I feel deceived

I spent nearly a decade promoting Bitcoin as freedom tech, but now the FBI is allegedly happier when their targets use bitcoin instead of cash (as suggested by Peter Thiel)

I feel sorry for some of the people I onboarded, who used custodial Lightning wallets that probably rugged them

I sometimes feel like a fraud who pushed false advertisement

But ultimately, I wish more bitcoiners demanded a change. Anything that lets developers build cool stuff and new use cases.

CTV, CAT, BIP300, I don’t even care at this point. Just push the boundaries, make Bitcoin technologically exciting again.

The bankers might fuck us, the old cypherpunks might sell out, but at least give the rest of us some cool toys to play with.

But no, ā€œthere’s no consensusā€

Fuxking bullshit

Well, I'd say living a happy, prosperous life already goes a long way to spite the evil SoBs.

Nonetheless, the way I see it bitcoin is a tool in the belt of those who try to non-violently move the world towards liberty for everyone, a fight that is still, and will always be, worth fighting.

And well, maybe it's not the primary tool anymore, and maybe the mob has caught on to how it can be tracked, to me that means there is a clear and present need to further facilitate and anonymize the exchange of bitcoin for fiat cash.

Or maybe to simply mint new, smaller silver coins for daily expenses.

Bitcoiners like to say their technology is unstoppable but nearly everything can be overridden by violence, so another worthwhile cause, instead of merely evading KYC ("kill your customer") and other ways of tracking is to work to reduce institutionalized violence, break up large nation states into much smaller entities more likely to achieve consensus without the need for oppression, and truly bring about not just financial, but political freedom.

Oh and especially if you're in the US but elsewhere as well, work to strengthen individual gun rights, can't rely on the State to safeguard your liberty if the State is the only one trying to reduce it.