In the long-term, I think you are right. In the shorter term though do you think we can advance MoE and UoA? I'm working on the UoA use case with tools and solutions and would like to publish a White Paper soon with community participation. If anybody is interested, please me to to collaborate.
Thank you for sharing additional insights on this. As a relatively new bitcoiner, it is helpful to me to get more perspective. I have set up two lightning nodes myself to better understand the technology and use cases and don't think it could be locked out of the base layer. The reason is that to open a channel, I simply do an on-chain transactions from my wallet to a new multi-sig wallet with the party on the other end of my channel. How would a decentralized Bticoin network prevent somebody from submitting a valid onchain transaction to open a channel?
Once opened, I can freely transaction via the Ligthning protocol using that channel until such time as either my channel partner or I want to close the channel which is another onchain transaction to settle the amount of bitcoin each of us has on our side of the chnanel. If the channel closing transactions is valid onchain, I don't think anybody would prevent it from being added to a block.
Except perhaps miners who could figure out a 51% attack but if that happened we have bigger problems than whether L2 is working or not.
The size of the block doesn't seem like the issue. It seems like layer 1 taking an average of 10 minutes per block to confirm and 60 minutes for 6 confirmation to ensure immutability is a bigger concern. Why don't the big blockers ever explain how BTC can be a Medium of Exchange (MoE) when it takes much longer than a fiat credit card approval we are used to when exchanging. Lightning and a myriad of other options mentioned by nostr:npub1s05p3ha7en49dv8429tkk07nnfa9pcwczkf5x5qrdraqshxdje9sq6eyhe do offer a comparable user experience. My focus is on creating the Unit of Account (UoA) to support the MoE so that bitcoin can become have all monetary properties as the geniuses that are working on layer 2 have great solutions for us.
I’m writing this because I keep getting asked to comment on Saylor/Saif video even though my position hasn’t changed.
The natural state of the free market is deflation which means all prices fall forever in Bitcoin (assuming it stays decentralized and secure)
Free market economies are more productive meaning faster deflation (or real wealth gains by falling prices)
That system is incompatible with an inflationary monetary system meaning one of those systems must fail.
Either:
1) A system based on truth, hope, and abundance for all 8 billion people on the planet driven by a free market economy and all prices fall relative to bitcoin forever. This means Bitcoin is used as a medium of exchange and freedom tech spreads to the world through lightning, Liquid, Fedimint, Cashu, etc.
OR
2) A control system. An extractive rent seeking system that is NOT the free market (similar to the one we have had for 5000 years that resets every 100 or so years through war) continues to centralize by having you believe price of bitcoin is going up in fiat which makes the surveillance state stronger. This eventually centralizes Bitcoin - custodians, media, regulation (funded from the same manipulation of money) where it is attacked from layer 2. (Similar to gold)
While these ideas may “seem” compatible in the short term because you want Bitcoin to go up in fiat. What it really means is that you are giving your energy and strength to the system centralizing the world by converting Bitcoin to Fiat….to then measure prices.
Quite simply - If Bitcoin is only a store of value, it fails as a store of value.
Ps - It won’t fail. #1 is inevitable in time because too many (and more each day) have seen behind the curtain and are determined to build path #1.
Many of you here - the people that inspire me every day. You make a difference with every word, thought and action.
Almost did that in all caps per nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx because it’s so important.
Referring to # 1 above…..There is no second best.
#1 all the way! In addition to the tools like "lightning, Liquid, Fedimint, Cashu, etc.", for Medium of Exchange (Moe), we will need tools and applications to use bitcoin as a Unit of Account (UoA). I think that aspect of MoE adoption is not getting enough attention and I'm organizing some efforts around that with the few who are working on tools. Anybody with interest in helping to create a White Paper on UoA with our group, please reach out to me.
I think this is correct and your timing makes sense. That is why I'm working on solutions that bring tools being developed by various project teams so that once MoE takes off we are ready to account in bitcoin as a base currency.
This is so true. I finally focused on my ideas instead of treating them like hobbies and the results are amazing!
How did you reach the point of no doubt about God’s reality? Can you share more?
We are still early to bitcoin and even earlier to Nostr
Seems like good, insightful advice to follow!
I love these dips as an opportunity to stack more sats!
Today is a good day! Got to add to my stack!
just setting up my nostr account on #Current App, shoot me a Zap!
Hello nostr world

