I’m aligned with most of what’s being said by you and nostr:npub19ha7tju4teqp3dmwv4p28wrcy9zd6h6hxkg5mwvjrlfycweazpkse2q0fa but it seems very ideological for a very niche thing. Is your electricity coming from a decentralized network? Do you pay a company for water? I would want every aspect of my life to be decentralized before I hate on a company for taking 10% for providing a service and having terms. All love for your values, I just don’t want to hate on a thing that’s actually apart of helping artists get paid.
Spotify = Artists don’t get paid.
Wavlake = Artists need to trust to get 90% of listener payment and then also have the freedom to move to a new host. It’s a completely different situation.
I think people misunderstand some of the issues. I don’t care if someone wants to pay for or charge for hosting. Now I’d argue if you are, you’re not v4v, you’re charging for a service, but I don’t care if you want to charge for your service. I pay for services all the time.
My main beef with Wavlake (and for the record I think what WL does is good for a lot of people) is they are an exclusive platform. If your music isn’t hosted by Wavlake, you can’t play it on Wavlake. I mean they can do whatever they want, but I wouldn’t call them an open platform.
My main beef with musicians is hosting your own music is so easy. Like it’s as easy as importing a CD and cataloging in iTunes. If you want to use a host or Wavlake because you understand the process and still want some else to handle a server going down, I get it. But I grew up with punk rockers with a DIY spirit, and hosting your songs is easier than screen printing a shirt or ripping a CD. I don’t want musicians thinking Wavlake or any other platform is doing a bunch of heavy lifting that is too complicated for the musician to figure out. I want them to be able to make informed choices. And if they host out themselves, they can do it for a little more than $1 a month. If they’re already hosting a website for their band, they can add their music and a feed for no additional cost.
If they make $100 a month, they have to pay $10 for the service. If it’s $1000 they pay $100. Or they can host it themselves and pay $1 or no additional cost. I just want the musicians to know there’s alternatives and their choices aren’t limited to Spotify or Wavlake, and Wavlake isn’t providing anything they couldn’t provide for themselves.
I can only speak for myself but four years ago, a music album was released via RSS feed by Able and The Wolf proving ANYONE could release their own music v4v. The RSS feed is a transparent contract between all collaborators which anyone can view to see who gets what amount of value for each song. Thanks to the Podcasting 2.0 protocol, the album was distributed to ALL modern podcast apps and #DeMu (decentralized music) was born.
Unlike any other P2.0 app, WL does NOT surface those self-custodied feeds. It's a walled garden and also a centralized platform, like Spotify 2.0.
When you look at WL artist feeds, 100% of the value goes to WL and anyone sending sats has to trust 90% gets distributed to the artist behind the scenes like they say. There's also the terms of service artists must abide... which means censorship and third-party data collection.
So here we are, watching the music industry get reinvented by many LEGACY industry players when there's a really simple, open source solution for anyone and everyone in #DeMu with no middlemen between listeners and artists:
https://github.com/de-mu/demu-feed-template/blob/master/feed-with-comments.xml
Also if you're interested in music discovery, check out LNBeats.com which is FOSS and features ALL music RSS feeds, DeMu and WL alike. 💜
This is a very good summary of what the issues some of us have with Wavlake. We see BTC and RSS as freedom tech that lets us build things on our terms and conduct commerce peer to peer. Having a middle man to hold and distribute our sats, control our feeds, take 10% of the top, make us abide by their TOS, all for the privilege of being on their exclusive platform, well, that goes against some of our values. Now some people prefer a “free” and easy platform over taking control of their digital property, while others just aren’t aware there are other platforms that put digital sovereignty first. We don’t have a marketing budget to promote the alternatives, we only have our voices, which is why we may come across as so vocal.
Did you know you can start your own record label? nostr:npub18gp8p84hjmjh9zejdlyqqcg22sj6x3qra0q2ng4v6cxxg95sav8q0mcg5e did with ThunderRoad Media. Know how to host files and build a feed? You can do it for the bands you love. They can focus on their music, you can manage their feed. It’s another form of v4v, where you’re trading your unique skill sets to create something greater than the sum of it’s parts.
We do this, and it is easy! Easier than learning how to produce and record your own music, which we also do 😬 And we are in %100 control of our music. nostr:npub1yvgrrzf4dnmu30qfhw95x87ruu0g2kpv3a64h8hpvqsre8qeuspsgd6pv9 makes amazing tools for helping artists like https://musicsideproject.com/
I'm willing to help and answer anyone's questions just like nostr:npub1yvscx9vrmpcmwcmydrm8lauqdpngum4ne8xmkgc2d4rcaxrx7tkswdwzdu
did when I was learning.
Check out our music feed, and you will find, if you want to, you can do it too!
The Doerfels are legit. And their story about how v4v reignited their love for playing is a good one.
If you have a website, you can self-custody your art on RSS. There's a template feed for Decentralized Music (DeMu) with comments explaining all the tags here:
https://github.com/de-mu/demu-feed-template/blob/master/feed-with-comments.xml
I don’t understand why everyone thinks this stuff is hard. It’s right there in the name Really Simple.
Except Progressive Web Apps. Now there is some real decentralized freedom tech.
When I was working with my tools in the field, listening to podcasts gave me a better education than college ever did. Construction workers and truck drivers… some of them are the deepest thinkers I’ve ever met.
Do you know many of the nostr developers like . . .
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nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s
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I’ll try and compile a list of them because it’s embarrassing I’m only coming up with 3 names. Oh and nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 of course.
I’ll give em a follow. Oscar Merry and bumi are the only devs I know doing anything with nostr.
I keep hearing we need to build apps for the 99%. Nah, I’m good. I like building for the 1%. You guys are way more fun and interesting. I like being a one percenter.
Oh, and LNBeats is FOSS, so you can steal it and make your own app or contribute to making it a pleb app.
If an MTV VJ and hillbilly banjo playing postman can (you know I love you Sir TJ), then you definitely can.
I’m working on integrating The Split Kit with nostr. It’s what a lot of the music shows are using to play their shows live, figured I could tie it into nostr some how
Better is subjective. The LNBeats app dev is scattered brain and never spends enough time to make any one app great. Wavlake only shows Wavlake hosted music. Wavlake takes 10% of an artists sats. LNBeats doesn’t take anything off the top. And I’m pretty you won’t hear this banger on WL.
Shit show kludges… sounds right up my alley!
Thought I’d try to see what this nostr thing is all about and maybe raise a little Cain
If you have time to upload your images and audio to someone else’s server and type in your title and descriptions into someone else’s input boxes, then you have time to upload it to your own server. Sovereign Feeds and Music Side Project are designed to be as easy as any podcast host, only you’re the host. Different strokes for different folks, but let’s not pretend it’s because digital sovereignty is difficult.
What tools should I use to make a music podcast 2.0?
Can i host an (un)popular stream with an old macpro with a fast connection as a server?
How does it live on valueverse? Does it rely on my server only? Is this where wavlake facilitates easy onboarding at a fee? Curiocaster? Zap stream?
Ill study when i can /, novice media prod. knowledge. what 3 tools do you use? nostr:nprofile1qqsx8zd7vjg70d5na8ek3m8g3lx3ghc8cp5d9sdm4epy0wd4aape6vspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduqs6amnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dsq32amnwvaz7tmhda6zumn0wd68ytnsv9e8g7g9pux3g nostr:nprofile1qqs2p9fwkqd9vm4rqac0zvh87pqgt2k3l9csgks2jhc7wrxj89vwcmgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszyrhwden5te0vyhxummn9ekx7mp0qywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnzd96xxmmfdejhytnnda3kjctv9uc9l6k5 self hosted?
I want to revive rubber factory radio, and play all the amazibg bands i find on the lake and lnbeats. TY❤️
Hell yeah you can host a stream on a Mac book as a server. As long as anyone can access your files, you have a podcast or album. Dude, it’s super easy. Building a Wordpress web site is way more complicated.
