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Dan Gould
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obsessed with the bitcoin privacy problem, payjoin, snowmobile trails, and armchair 漢學
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ICWYDT

oh man QnA, you’re here too. Today is a good day

🫱 please help yourself to the negative mass

Have you seen any “dunks” on Nostr yet? Seems like that behavior is discouraged here.

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KYC Bitcoin: Individuals are on Lists

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What is KYC/AML?

• The acronym stands for Know Your Customer / Anti Money Laundering.

• In practice it stands for the surveillance measures companies are often compelled to take against their customers by financial regulators.

• Methods differ but often include: Passport Scans, Driver License Uploads, Social Security Numbers, Home Address, Phone Number, Face Scans.

• Bitcoin companies will also store all withdrawal and deposit addresses which can then be used to track bitcoin transactions on the bitcoin block chain.

• This data is then stored and shared. Regulations often require companies to hold this information for a set number of years but in practice users should assume this data will be held indefinitely. Data is often stored insecurely, which results in frequent hacks and leaks.

• KYC/AML data collection puts all honest users at risk of theft, extortion, and persecution while being ineffective at stopping crime. Criminals often use counterfeit, bought, or stolen credentials to get around the requirements. Criminals can buy "verified" accounts for as little as $200.

During the early days of bitcoin most services did not require this sensitive user data, but as adoption increased so did the surveillance measures. At this point, most large bitcoin companies are collecting and storing massive lists of bitcoiners, our sensitive personal information, and our transaction history.

Lists of Bitcoiners

KYC/AML policies are a direct attack on bitcoiners. Lists of bitcoiners and our transaction history will inevitably be used against us.

Once you are on a list with your bitcoin transaction history that record will always exist. Generally speaking, tracking bitcoin is based on probability analysis of ownership change. Surveillance firms use various heuristics to determine if you are sending bitcoin to yourself or if ownership is actually changing hands.  You can obtain better privacy going forward by using collaborative transactions such as coinjoin to break this probability analysis.

Fortunately, you can buy bitcoin without providing intimate personal information. Tools such as peach, hodlhodl, robosats, and bisq help; mining is also a solid option: anyone can plug a miner into power and internet and earn bitcoin by mining privately.

You can also earn bitcoin by providing goods and/or services that can be purchased with bitcoin. Long term, circular economies will mitigate this threat: most people will not buy bitcoin - they will earn bitcoin - most people will not sell bitcoin - they will spend bitcoin.

There is no such thing as KYC or No KYC bitcoin, there are bitcoiners on lists and those that are not on lists. 🤙

https://www.discreetlog.com/kyc/

glad you mentioned thebtcco soon after this post. paying bills with sats kyc-free seems as important as obtaining them

I use Damus. snort.social to link to things outside of nostr clients. Photos with nostrimg

great to hear about the pr. Gotta find time to respond to the excellent feedback. very exciting

DC-nets are the hidden gem

If coordination relies on Tor, it’s probably not going to reach, few even use vpns.

TestFlight does. App Store may not have it yet

the chinese language is finally getting bitcoin-first coverage

Real steps are being taken to improve bitcoin privacy for all. Have faith 🚫🩻

(the default Unnecessary Input Heuristic avoidant coin selection in use in BTCpay and elsewhere avoids this problem)