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Who would have thought that 80 years after the Holocaust there would be violent anti-semetic mobs roaming streets, attacking airports, and ruining the American University system?

I think he's having the time of his life. This is a science geek who has managed to turn his home into a Mad Scientist Laboratory where he can play. I've got enough of a science background to recognize his engineering and scientific competence. I believe all the stuff he does is reliable. My one complaint (if it _is_ a complaint) is that the topics of his videos are so random. One video will be about focussing microwave energy into a beam to use as a weapon. The next will be about distilling Rum, and the next will be about producing graphene to strengthen epoxy. I mean the guy is all over the map. But that's part of his charm.

I Love this guy's videos. They're all very cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx91NXhQfyw

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From: (ThyLobster) at 10/22 07:43

> Where art thou?

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This doesn’t suck.

This morning, in cooperation with Lifeline Pilots, I flew a patient from KUGN in Northern Illinois to I50 in Northern Indiana. (Those are airport codes.) The weather was marginal VFR with low clouds, but I thought a VFR flight would be more entertaining for my patient, and would save me a few minutes over an IFR flight.

The clouds were at 1500' and so I flew about a 1000' above the North Shore of Lake Michigan. We passed by Chicago -- it's always a spectacular sight. Then we passed over Gary Indiana and headed towards the I50 airport. The overhead layer started to come down pushing me uncomfortably close to the ground. But it was a thin layer so I went above it. There was another layer of clouds above that but I had over 1000' of headroom so I flew between the layers.

As we approached I50 I started searching for a hole in the thin clouds. We had passed a few 10 miles back but I hadn't seen any for awhile. Up ahead there was a ridge of clouds and I thought sure there's be a hole on the other side (there often is). But no, not this time. Over the ridge it was still solid cloud above and below me.

So I turned around, flew 10 miles north and found one of the holes I had passed. I spiraled through that hole and headed back to I50 flying 600' above the ground in a maneuver called: Scud Running.

There were antennae and wind farms all reaching up to my level, and I had to dodge around them. I was never in any real danger, but flying this close to the ground certainly focusses the mind.

We got to the airport and landed without incident. My passenger's friend was there to pick her up, and we said our goodbys.

And then I filed an IFR flight plan and flew home above the clouds in the bright sunshine. That's what I should have done from the very start.

I'm sure you've met the kind of person who is smart, articulate, a bit manipulative, and has no direction for their life other than to break as many rules as they can get away with while engaging in dissipative behaviors.

That was John Backus, the inventor of Fortran ... until he saw his first computer in the Spring of 1949. At that point the direction of his life was set with a passion that had evaded his first two and a half decades.

That computer was an electromechanical beast named the SSEC (Selective Sequence Electronic Calculator) at IBM headquarters. It executed sequences of instructions on paper tape. It had no ability to branch or jump around within the program. Loops were constructed by taping the ends of the paper tape together into an actual loop.

At one point the operators looped a tape but inadvertently put a half twist in, turning it into a Möbius strip. It took them a very long time to figure out why the program behaved so oddly.

I say NAH-stir.

From: DerekRoss at 10/16 10:02

> Let's back back to the important discussions.

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> NAW-stir

> NOH-stir

> NOH-struh

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> How do you pronounce Nostr?

From: pam at 10/14 05:24

> Story 3 is sad Uncle Bob. Both will never leave, It's the holy land. Even my momma thinks that's pilgrimage land lol. Maybe that land should belong to no one and everyone. Like Bitcoin. And Nostr.

Alas, that is very unlikely.

> Btw, my friend in DC says police are patrolling schools, the Jewish schools have been closed because of Hamas Jihad threat. I'm guessing if the fear is already being built up in the US, US is going for war.

The presence of the US carrier groups in the Eastern Mediterranian, is an attempt to keep the war from spreading. The Hezbollah in Lebanon have much better weapons and forces than Hammas. If they get into the war then Israel will have to adopt a scorched earth approach, just to survive. That could bring Syria, Iraq, and Iran into the mix. At that point the somebody could pop a nuke, and we'd have a nuclear world war on our hands.

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I'm in favor of Story #3.

Primary effect: Jews and Arabs immigrate at different rates.

Secondary effect: Enmity arises between the two groups, helped by the politics of the day.

Tertiary effect: One side eventually outweighs the other leading to resentment, desperation, and violence.

It's a story that's played out many different times in many different places.

From: mikedilger at 10/13 15:31

> Can we then pull up out of the weeds? Forget the details and the long screeds. I see two fundamentally different overarching narratives:

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> Story #1:

> Primary effect: Jews taking land from Arabs

> Secondary effect: Arab violence in retaliation

> Tertiary effect: Jews controlling Arabs for their own safety

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> Story #2

> Primary effect: Arabs eternally hate Jews and will be violent when they can

> Secondary effect: Jews controlling Arabs for their own safety

> Tertiary effect: Jews taking land from Arabs

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> The first story is more believable to me. Every part of it is emminantly believable. We know if you get your land stolen you will get very very angry and that can lead to violence. We all agree (both stories) that violence of Arabs puts a security risk on the Jews. Nothing is out of place in this story.

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> But the second story seems crafted in order to justify land stealing. In order to pull this off, they have to invoke this concept that the eternal hatred of Arabs towards Jews is primary. The reason that is less believable is because (1) Arabs and Jews got along together before WWI, and (2) Palestinians live in peace with Jews inside of Israel right now.

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> Anyhow I really want to shut up now, I'm tired of this topic, but I wanted to share my high-level comparison before I quit.

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No anger. I'm a firm believer in informed debate so long as it remains civil. I just think we reached the fractal part of that debate and it could have continued to subdivide without end. I think you understood my position, and I think I've got a grasp of yours. You gave me some things to think about, so thank you.

One day we might find a way to have a beer together. Or maybe a whiskey. ;-)

From: mikedilger at 10/13 15:22

> I love you man. 🫂

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> I think the discussion becoming somewhat adversarial helps ensure we don't miss anything. I hope I didn't anger you.

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> You are uncertain whether the attack last week was barbaric?

Let's forget about arguing whether it was barbaric, because definitions can vary wildly. I'm going to be very specific.

First, I no longer believe things because the news or officials say so. I've become very skeptical, far more than I used to be, based on repeated abuse of my mind. And as a result I have to discount all of my own memory, everything I think I used to believe from the past about Hamas, because I wasn't critical of any of that information at the time.

Second, I don't have a dog in this race, but I don't like being lied to. "Truth" is my only dog in this race.

When I started to notice the claims and the video evidence being out of alignment, I made a point to gather lots of video evidence and determine what the patterns actually were. The claims were that women and children were being routinely killed, raped, tortured, heads cut off, burned alive in their homes or in their cars. What I found was that Hamas doesn't seem to kill women or children, and only kills adult men. That was the pattern. There are two videos that could lead you to think otherwise, but they are not conclusive. But there are a huge number of videos of large numbers of dead adult men. The balance in proportionality of who they are killing is immense.

I am not defending Hamas, nor am I saying it is okay to kill adult men. That would be ridiculous. I think Hamas' attack was disproportionate to what happened in East Jerusalem and to the Jewish settlements. I think judging all adult men as guilty just because they were forced by their nation to serve in the IDF is wrong. And war is horrible, I'm against all violence on both sides.

All I'm saying here is that they have been mischaracterized. They carry some sort of very non-Western ethic. They are not just randomly slaying (which is what I consider barbarism to mean).

> The Zionists set up one settlement after another. Some failed, some flourished. The more that flourished the more attractive the land became to other Jews and Arabs.

There is a whiff of a supremacist attitude in the way you said that, implying that improvements made by Jews made the area attractive, with no reference to improvements made by Arabs.

Nothing about being Arab makes people less capable of improving the land and infrastructure. The height of human civilization from the 8th to the 13th centuries were in Islamic nations. Al-gebra, Al-gorithm, the scietntific method, emission theory of optics, astronomy, chemistry, and a hell of a lot more, all came out of the Islamic world.

Since we are on that topic, the reason those in Gaza live with such shit infrastructure is that if they try to improve it, they will be shot at by IDF (injured usually not killed). The IDF disallows any infrastucture improvement for "security reasons."

And the reason Israel flourished while the Arabs in the region never did is because Britain screwed the Arabs over originally (which turned them hostile to the Jewish people) and then once Israel got large and strong enough, they continually subjugated and pounded down the Arabs.

In WWI, McMahon promised the Arabs that Britian would recognize them as a state if they helped the Brits fight off the Ottoman Empire. The Arabs took the deal, fought fiercely, lost a lot of people. But there was a secret Sykes-Picot agreement, and the Brits never recognized the state of Palestine, and instead made the Balfour declaration recognizing a homeland for the Jewish people. That was the flash-point of hostility between the Arabs in the region and the Jewish immigrants. That is the modern start of enmity between the two groups,

After that, Jewish immigration was no longer welcomed by the Arabs. It just angered the Arabs. Because they knew the Jews were coming in to take over and take control over them.

I find it strange that pro-Israel accounts of history never even mention that. Gloss right past it. Gloss right past the point where enmity began.

You are right that for a time, to keep the peace, Britian put a cap on how many Jews could migrate to the region.

> If the Arabs laid down their weapons there would be peace.

If the Arabs laid down their weapons, the Jews would remove them stealing all of their land. The only reason the steal it slowly is to try not to provoke a response, to try to make it like boiling a frog.

Rudyard Kipling has the right of it:

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.

They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.

But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,

And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

From: mikedilger at 10/13 14:56

Thank you for that explanation. We're in the weeds now but I understand your point of view. The weeds don't get simpler as you try to peer through them. Sigh.

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Until 3 days ago I was pretty settled in my view that Hamas is a terrorist organisation using barbaric tactics. Only in the last 3 days has that view changed based on lack of evidence (among much evidence). I am now uncertain, and seeking more evidence.

Fatah was the party that championed a diplomatic solution. They rule the West Bank, which Israel cuts into smaller and smaller pieces (diplomacy didn't work).

Hamas was the party that championed violent resistance. They rule Gaza and promise to get revenge on Israel. They have super-majority support in Gaza. You might think that is stupid, since any attack of Hamas will cause a much worse retaliation by Israel, but this is what the people of Gaza want. Perhaps more than their own lives, they seem to want revenge.

People were on the land before the people of Israel conquered it (they were not "given" the land, they killed people to get it, Caananites and many others as I recall, with some Ark of the Covenant supernatural device, right? ;-). And many people were on it since.

The levant wasn't "pretty deserted". People had been inhabiting it for thousands of years, as you mentioned earlier in your post. From 1881-1903, about 25000 jews immigrated there. From 1904-1914 another 35000 arrived. By 1922, the population was up to 11% Jews and 89% Arabs. That means there were still far more Arabs there even after those waves of immigration. Data from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

I could try to explain their rationale for wanting revenge on Israel, but I couldn't do it justice not being one of them. And it's so cultural that I doubt many of them remember all the stories and reasons themselves, at this point they just do.

From: mikedilger at 10/12 21:30

> Until 3 days ago I was pretty settled in my view that Hamas is a terrorist organisation using barbaric tactics. Only in the last 3 days has that view changed based on lack of evidence (among much evidence). I am now uncertain, and seeking more evidence.

You are uncertain whether the attack last week was barbaric?

> Fatah was the party that championed a diplomatic solution. They rule the West Bank, which Israel cuts into smaller and smaller pieces (diplomacy didn't work).

Well...sort of. I mean, there were a lot of weddings, busses, and lunch bistros that were blown up by suicide terrorists coming from the West Bank. And Fatah seems willing to celebrate the attack by Hamas and encourage more such attacks.

> Hamas was the party that championed violent resistance. They rule Gaza and promise to get revenge on Israel. They have super-majority support in Gaza. You might think that is stupid, since any attack of Hamas will cause a much worse retaliation by Israel, but this is what the people of Gaza want. Perhaps more than their own lives, they seem to want revenge.

All true. To quote them: "We love death more than you love life."

> People were on the land before the people of Israel conquered it (they were not "given" the land, they killed people to get it, Caananites and many others as I recall, with some Ark of the Covenant supernatural device, right? ;-). And many people were on it since.

Certainly true. That's why I said that was a biblical story. Biblically speaking, God gave that land to the children of Israel. Of course that meant they had to take it by force. (For what it's worth, I'm neither Jew nor Christian. My opinions are not based on the Bible.)

> The levant wasn't "pretty deserted". People had been inhabiting it for thousands of years, as you mentioned earlier in your post.

Those were Mark Twain's words, and his perception as he toured the area in the 1860s. At that time the region of Palestine was governed and owned by the Ottomans. In the late 1800s funds were raised by Zionists to purchase tracts of lands from the Turkish land barons who owned it. The Zionists set up one settlement after another. Some failed, some flourished. The more that flourished the more attractive the land became to other Jews and Arabs. There was a significant increase in both populations.

>From 1881-1903, about 25000 jews immigrated there. From 1904-1914 another 35000 arrived. By 1922, the population was up to 11% Jews and 89% Arabs. That means there were still far more Arabs there even after those waves of immigration. Data from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Correct. In the late 1800s Jerusalem held 4,000 Jews, 3,500 Christians, and 13,000 Arabs -- a rather small town of 20,000. That may be one reason why Twain chose the words he did.

The population of the area increased rapidly after that. And the demographic ratios shifted. Jews were 11% in '22, 17% in '31, and 30% by '47. By then the population was close to two million. 630,000 Jews, 143,000 Christians, and 1.2 million Arabs.

This shift was not due solely to natural population growth. Much of it came from different rates of immigration. The Arab population grew from half a million in 1890 to 1.2 million 57 years later. The Jews grew from 43,000 to 630,000 during the same period.

There was unrest between the two groups pretty much from the start, but it was exacerbated by Nazi propaganda during the '40s. European Jews, fearing Nazi advances, fled their homes. One of their destinations was Palestine. The British, already stretched thin, would not tolerate the anticipated increase immigration, and so barred the area to immigrating Jews, but not to Arabs. Some Jews came anyway and snuck in one way or another. Those who were caught were imprisoned, by the British, in Mauritius.

The Brits, who had taken the area from the Ottomans after WWI, turned the area over to the UN after WWII. The UN plan was to divide Palestine into six areas; three for the Jews and three for the Arabs. Jerusalem was to be kept neutral and governed by the UN. The six areas were not contiguous; there were "pinch points" where the touched.

The UN General Assembly voted for this plan. The Jews accepted the plan and declared the state of Israel. The Arabs were horrified and a civil war broke out between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine. The Arab League nations who bordered Palestine: Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, attacked simultaneously. The Israelis rallied and pushed all five of the attackers back beyond their initial borders and gained a cease fire.

In short, it's a fascinating history, with lots of twists and turns. It is nowhere near as simple as either side would like it to be. The Jews are right about one thing. If the Arabs laid down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel.

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when you refer to terrorist, are you referring to the Hamas, both the Hamas and the Fatah, or in general the people of Palestine?

2 popular groups in Palestine - Fatah (West Bank) and Hamas (Giza). Fatah has been the moderate one, pushed for the Oslo accord - but as with a lot of leaders, has its large of share of corruption that people are stressed with. They want to draw the borders and have come to an agreement with Israel - but Hamas has always intervened.

Groups like Hamas and others alike - Hezbullah, RUF, Charles Taylor, jihads, talibans - also some in syria, egypt, turkey - were formed in that late 80's / 90's period.

While they are extremist, completely brain washed, cruel beyond words, they were mostly triggered by their own gov't corruption and foreign intervention. Some source of triggers are also through corrupted leaders such as Charles Taylor of Liberia who wanted his hands on the diamonds in Sierre Leone hence his creation of the RUF rebel group, to go against their own corrupted gov't

I do not know enough about these groups and I do want to read a bit more on this when i have the time. I also want to read a bit more on Nakba in 1948 , the Arab-Israel war and the creation of Israel. I also need to do a cross reference on the history of Israel, as biblically it has existed over a thousand years before Jesus died - it was there from Abraham's time I think.

I do not wish for anyone to get hurt in a war or die.

Far left or far right or social media spread are too jaded and emotional - everyone gets upset over something and often the conversations ends prematurely.

When it comes to university students though, even from the beatnik/hippies era, they have been a strong force of anti war - do they have a different stance ?

I've got 2 books on my current list - Noam Chomsky /Ilan Pappe on Palestine and Palestine (history) by Joe Sacco. Chomsky's books always talks about US (CIA) inventions funding the rebel groups in South America, their intervention in training and supplying arms to rebel armies to fight for them against Russia, to what is now known as the Talibans.

Not too sure if these are good books, I'll probably know when I'm done lol

From: pam<-DerekRoss at 10/12 11:37

> when you refer to terrorist, are you referring to the Hamas, both the Hamas and the Fatah, or in general the people of Palestine?

Hamas. And to the north Hezbollah.

> 2 popular groups in Palestine - Fatah (West Bank) and Hamas (Giza). Fatah has been the moderate one, pushed for the Oslo accord - but as with a lot of leaders, has its large of share of corruption that people are stressed with. They want to draw the borders and have come to an agreement with Israel - but Hamas has always intervened.

Fatah has been less violent lately; but they still pay the families of terrorists and name streets after them, so I'm not so sure about how "moderate" they are.

> Groups like Hamas and others alike - Hezbullah, RUF, Charles Taylor, jihads, talibans - also some in syria, egypt, turkey - were formed in that late 80's / 90's period.

The groups aren't what matter so much as the ideology -- which goes back to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his alliance with Hitler. The enmity itself is biblical, going back 3,000 years or more.

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> I do not know enough about these groups and I do want to read a bit more on this when i have the time. I also want to read a bit more on Nakba in 1948 , the Arab-Israel war and the creation of Israel. I also need to do a cross reference on the history of Israel, as biblically it has existed over a thousand years before Jesus died - it was there from Abraham's time I think.

(Very brief biblical history) The _land_ of Israel was given to the _people_ of Israel as "the promised land" about 3,200 years ago. Abraham lived ~800 years before that. Abraham's grandson was Jacob, whose name was later changed to Israel. The people of Israel are his descendants. Jacob took his family to Egypt where they stayed for several centuries and multiplied. The Egyptians enslaved them and Moses rescued them and led them to Canaan, the promised land, what we now call Israel.

Incidentally, Jacob's uncle was Ishmael, who also founded a nation. God told Abraham that there would always be enmity between his sons. It is a common belief that the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.

Shortly after the death of Jesus, the Romans decided they'd had enough of the unruly jews, and dispersed them all over Europe, destroying Jerusalem, the temple and the whole place. The jews did not start to return in earnest until the late 1800s, when they started to build settlements. At the time the area was pretty deserted. Mark Twain said it was desolate and devoid of inhabitants.

That began to change as the Jews started to move in. Arabs joined them. And the two populations grew together throughout the mid 20th century. They didn't much care for each other. In the end, after WWII, the brand new UN declared a two state solution. Israel accepted and formed a state. The five surrounding Arab states immediately declared war and invaded. Israel drove them back and would not let the Arabs who had left in fear return to their homes. Their descendants are the Palestinians.

Of course it's a lot more complicated than that, but that's the rough picture.

> When it comes to university students though, even from the beatnik/hippies era, they have been a strong force of anti war - do they have a different stance ?

Apparently they don't like war unless it is war against Israel. It's hard for me to understand their rationale. I don't think it is a rationale. I think it's just brainwashed nonsense.

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I've been encouraged that even some of the most dedicated leftists have stood with Israel. Even the ladies of "The View" exhibited an unusual amount of sanity. I've also been horrified by the attitudes of our students in universities. They seem to be driven by an almost inconceivable ignorance and bitterness. I was not very surprised, however, to see that BLM has thrown their support to the terrorists.

Honestly I think the only way this gets resolved is with the eventual deaths (natural or otherwise) of the current leadership -- and perhaps of their children and grandchildern in the decades to come. I hope it is not a matter of centuries.

From: pam<-DerekRoss at 10/12 08:22

> i just popped into twitter a while back. whoa! people are so agitated and so quick to pick sides - so quick to demonise. whatever happened to finding resolution. Don't you think its weird that the 2 people who came close - JFK and Clinton - both were no longer presidents. Camp David was the closest to a resolution I would think.

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These are useful information, thank you. This is sad but also very true : "Both political parties want the issue to use as a hammer against the other side. So neither are motivated to fix it"

I was reading the other day about the history of nuclear energy (note1fjej6704h4gn3l2dg45s9u8q796atc89gzthz59mqn6q3ukplu7q5qhvnt) and most of the nuclear physicist who advanced the innovation in the US fled from Holocaust (mostly immigrants). While they are professionals, I'm sure there must have been some cultural adjustment. And in old sitcoms with Shirley booth as Hazel, Scottish and Italians were brought in as domestic help, cooks and so forth. But none throughout time was as intense as the border issue US faces with Mexico. I'm guessing its also a major economic disparity and high demand for a good life. And perhaps one way to really get to the root is to help Mexico build its economy.

On Israel - Palestine, I don't think there will ever be a fix. Nobody will give up the holy land, and gov'ts worldwide will milk the religious wars. But I also don't think the other party ie Russia, China, India, Saudi want a global war.

Then again I was reading a book on Sierre Leone and the RUF spread in the 90s and it was intense, cruel and recruitment spread like wildfire among children. The Northern Africa's religious movement was highly anti-US in the 70's and 80's. Its very easy to use religion as a ground to attack governments so it is worrying. After all, Persia - Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan have a few things in common - talibans and extremist.

I don't know which way this will go, but i think this is only a prelude to nastier times ahead

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning. We didn't start the fire, no we didn't light it but we tried to fight it.... -- Billy Joel.

From: pam at 10/11 10:29

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> I don't know which way this will go, but i think this is only a prelude to nastier times ahead

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From: pam at 10/11 08:26

> Do you think there might be an attack in the US?

I think that's possible. It could serve as a distraction from events in the Middle East. But I think it's more likely that the threat of an attack would be used as a way to soften our defense of Israel.

WRT the border, the issue is very complicated.

1. We need immigration to keep our demographics from collapsing. Americans do not make enough babies to support the welfare state and the industrial base. So brining young families in from abroad addresses that need.

2. Democrats believe that the immigrants will vote for them in the short term. So they encourage as much immigration as they can.

3. Republicans want the influx of cheap labor. So they also encourage as much immigration as they can.

4. Populists and Nationalists are concerned that the short term wellfare costs, and national security risks, are too great to bear, and that the effect on our culture will be disruptive.

5. Both political parties want the issue to use as a hammer against the other side. So neither are motivated to fix it.

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Iran did this because they want the war. That means that this is only one step in their plan. What the next step might be is anybody’s guess; but the worst guess is that there is no next step. It might be wise to consider the US southern border.

Yes, I was a guest on stack overflow once. The two hosts (Spolsky and whats-his-name) made a dumb comment on twitter or somewhere about how the SOLID principles were a joke or stupid or something. I responded in kind, and then they invited me on the podcast.

That's a pretty common trick to get guests on a podcast. You insult them on social media, and then you get them for an hour tod drive ratings. Whatever.

And yes, I did NOT promote nostr at the time. I wish that I had. I wish that I had forseen the horrors that were coming and pushed for a free speech platform back then.

But I'm here now.

From: fiatjaf at 10/11 06:48

> Notice that in 2009 nostr:nprofile1qqsza7flq8xjfylqgg66dwrmzrfuff6w9flt0s72795zdrm27ue3fdgpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet5qyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgunpw35jucm0d5q3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyynwgww was a guest in the show, but unfortunately he didn't promote Nostr.

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Ah, I see. I don't have a real good explanation. I probably started with the destructuring of the channel, and then added the :as clause later. I am in the habit of beginning each function with a 'let' clause so it's not unlikely that I reflexively pulled the turtle out there.

It's also possible that I wrote the 'assoc' statement as a single long expression that inlcuded the 'turtle/update-turtle' call, and then later extracted that function into a 'let' clause. My IDE implements that kind of refactoring very nicely.

anyway I don't remember the order in which these lines were written, nor the way in which my tests drove me to implement the function. In the end, however, you are right to point out the inconsistency. I missed an obvious refactoring.

From: jgomo3<-randymcmi... at 10/09 21:57

> As the picture shows, the `update-state` function receives an `state`. In the function's signature, you destructure `state` extracting `channel` from it. I wonder why you didn't extract also `turtle` in that moment?. You prefered to get the `turtle` explicitly in the `let` expression instead.

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> I think it was a matter of taste, or style. Maybe related to the fact that `turtle` inside the `let` body is a derivates value from the original `turtle` you get from `state`.

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nostr:npub19mun7qwdyjf7qs3456u8kyxncjn5u2n7klpu4utgy68k4aenzj6synjnft, reading your Functional Design book.

I have a question regarding style.

Why in the following snippet (page 208) you prefered not to destruct the turtle key from the state, as you did with the channel?

I don't understand the question. Could you elaborate?

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> nostr:npub19mun7qwdyjf7qs3456u8kyxncjn5u2n7klpu4utgy68k4aenzj6synjnft, reading your Functional Design book.

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Hello Nostr,

We've returned from our Northern Hideaway, and are looking forward to the week ahead. I'm continuing my historical research.

Does anyone have any technical information on the ARRA computer from the Netherlands in 1953? This was the first machine that Dijkstra used, and I'd love to look under the covers a bit.

Hello Nostralites. We have arrived at our Northern Hideaway. This morning is a chilly 45°F, but the skys are clear and it looks to be a lovely day to wear a sweater.

Today I'm continuing my deep dive into the life and times of Edsger Dijkstra. I expect to be amazed.