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Author of “Modern Chains.” Catholic. Husband. Father of two. Former Army Officer, AH-64 Pilot. BS in Art, Literature and Philosophy from the US Military Academy. MA in Philosophy from Holy Apostles College and Seminary.

ad hominems don’t have any bearing on the argument, correct.

you didn’t want to wrestle with the argument, just make obtuse red herrings and non secquitars, all under the pretense of being taken serious.

you should be mocked for such behavior. ad hominems are great for that

philosophers typically use “absurd” when referring invalid logic

as in, only one with retarded mental faculties could think such a thing follows

how can something be “absurd” if there is no objective measure? 🤦‍♂️

i guess being immune to logical contradictions has an “ignorance is bliss” type of upside

A smaller publisher was first to respond!

Said they would be delighted to publish my #bitcoin book!!!

it’s both, if u haven’t picked that hylomorphic theme up yet.

yes, those preferences are objectively evil.

if someone tied u up, put a gun to your head and asked for a reason not to kill you, how would u respond?

if ur consistent, u would have to simply say, **I** would prefer if you not kill me, but I understand my preference is completely subjective and isolated from your preferences, so do whatever you prefer

you have no appeal to anything objective, no moral plea

it’s absurd

i think that’s really why i even engage with you, knowing you get bitcoin at some level, means something objectively true got in

no, just that objective reality exists. not “my god” but acknowledge something supernatural is in the sauce

the idea of a fucking triangle is “supernatural” form, order, logic itself.

it’s such a low bar.

you can try and wiggle around, straw man the issue, it’s just intellectually lazy and pathetic.

defend being a bitcoiner to yourself.

why do you prefer a volentary open protocol to coercive extraction?

it’s not just some accidental preference like enjoying strawberry ice cream over chocolate.

“why” isn’t stupid and for some things it’s accessible.

if you understand why bitcoin is objectively good, the seeds are already planted even if you deny it.

i know these are heavy philosophical weights. it’s ok u can’t lift them now. objective truth doesn’t need me holding it up, it will be there ready for you whenever u come around

fiat needs its gnostics propping it up the same as materialism needs its.

eventually the illusion will break.

another benefit of hylomorphism:

you can comprehend the formal principles even if filled with different matter.

a kitten and a tiger are both feline

in the same way a family and a big government are both “states”

it’s just an objective truth

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Yes, you do eventually go back to might makes right, unfortunately. all you can do is set norms within trusted communities and attempt to establish extremely competent defenses against outside intrusion that doesn't conform to the norms. Defectors who choose the zero-sum coercive strategy might have an edge in some games, so some of us try to play positive-sum games which reverse that.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone that my way is better. I'm merely saying I'm going to do it, and for anyone who runs the same open protocol as me we'll be doing it together. Feel free to opt-out. that's sort of the whole point...

"How order came to be" is irrelevant. you're describing investigations into how things work, what they do, what they might do, etc. Hopefully you can allow the available-to-you history to contribute to your present analysis as much as possible, but even if the history is totally inaccessible to you, you can still attempt to make sense of the present.

It's very obvious that you're trying to smuggle in a justification for believing in the supernatural. Just say "I want to, even if it might not make sense to you" rather than attempting to force it into the worldview I'm describing. I don't care if you want to believe weird shit.

We're on opposite sides of this: you think it matters (to outcomes) if the weird shit is there, I don't think it matters (to outcomes) if the weird shit is there or even paid any mind to. At the end of the day these are personal preferences and there's nothing to be gained by attempting to shoehorn them into a single frame. They can just be separate.

“They can just be separate”

not if you follow logic

separation leads to impasses, problems which have no answer.

Putnam and Nussbaum were the first secular philosophers to acknowledge how “untenable” the task of keeping form and matter, material and immaterial separated.

reality is hylomorphic, a fusion of both.

if you don’t want to wrestle with that objective fact, then ur just retreating into a hyper reality invented inside your mind.

https://academic.oup.com/book/32491/chapter-abstract/269649237?redirectedFrom=fulltext

dont need to argue about any definition of bad, just that you use the category.

your preference of this over that creates the immaterial category.

but since they are no objective truths to ground those preferences, we are back to Thrasymacus and might makes right.

unfortunately feeble grounds to try and fight against the state

you speculate about some fantastical reality where all that exists is matter, and invite me into your gnostic bubble.

it’s just as invalid and stupid as all other gnostic theologies.

u use language, speak to others, attempt to persuade them that your way of thinking is better, should be adopted, all while denying the thing the that makes it all happen

how order came to be is of primary importance because it’s what determines man’s relation to reality.

we find some alien spacecraft, and you want to focus on what color it is, instead of understanding how it came to be.

thx for the mental exercise 🫡

but imma enjoy my saturday

as soon as a person in the stateless society has a kid, it is no longer stateless.

they just imposed a non voluntary social relation on another and formally created a state.

here is a why question for you.

why is a big tyrannical state bad?

can we only have “opinion” on that matter? or is there an objective truth there?

in the post, u use categorization, syntax, semantics, all outgrowths of order itself

the order that subatomic particles follow: no logicially valid argument for how that came to be materialistcally

materialism can only go as far as random chaos, if u are trying to explain any order beyond that, ur reliant upon the immaterial

to even say “the apple is on the table” relies upon the immaterial.

it’s an objective fact

and it doesn’t fit with materialism

what’s an empirical question? a universal property of human existence?

it’s like saying all human bodies having extension in space is an empirical question.

we could go count every human on earth, and count every human on earth with extension and empirically see if the numbers match.

or use rationality, abstract the universal property and know with 100% certainty that the numbers match.