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Yes, which is why we should not be complacent. So far we've just seen uncoordinated attacks by Outer Party members of the regime to get Bitcoin to conform to their KYC/AML/ESG bullshit. The serious attacks will start once the spooks realize that we will not stop until we destroy their money printer. Expect COINTELPRO/PATCON style infiltration, psyops and demoralization campaigns; Tailored Access Operations on prominent bitcoiners to extract or insert fake kompromat; and widescale lawfare on bagholders through the IRS. Don't discount either their willingness to rip off the mask and just shut down centralized services and infrastructure once they feel threatened enough.

Can someone comment on the privacy and security properties of stacking to a Phoenix channel with plenty of inbound liquidity, and then swapping to a fat mainchain utxo using nostr:npub1psm37hke2pmxzdzraqe3cjmqs28dv77da74pdx8mtn5a0vegtlas9q8970? Been doing that for a while in response to the fee market. Only part that I don't like is that I can't tell from the invoice if I'm going to get rugged or not. nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx, nostr:npub1rxysxnjkhrmqd3ey73dp9n5y5yvyzcs64acc9g0k2epcpwwyya4spvhnp8 ?

GM. THERE IS HOPE AMONGST THE REMNANT, DESPAIR ELSEWHERE. SHOULDNT BE A HARD CHOICE AND FREEDOM TECH MAKES IT EASIER..

I would like to know where all the Information Theory experts now on X where when Segwit was being discussed?

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On Providing Value

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How can we tell if transactions "provide value"?

The assumption from an Austrian economics standpoint is that any voluntary transaction is value-providing because each party believes the trade will satisfy some subjective need or want. So for example, OnlyFans is a value-providing transaction because both parties do what they do willingly and do so in the belief that they will get value.

Yet practically speaking, there's something weird about this. There are lots of voluntary transactions that don't provide value, perhaps significantly subtract value. Gambling, for example or other addictions (drugs, porn, etc) where one party is making a lot of money from the addicted person does not seem value-adding at all. How do we account for this? Is there some hidden fraud in these transactions? Or can we add some other principle by which we can tell if a transaction is value-providing?

The first thing to notice about these transactions is that they have high time preference behavior around them. There's at least one party that's being especially impulsive. A lot of mobile games, for example, rely on addictive, impulsive behavior to make money and they have more of the sucker-swindler relationship. The dynamic shares much more with rent-seeking or fraud than, say, someone paying for an Uber ride.

Yet the libertarian norm is considering anything voluntary to be value-adding. But is trading of fentanyl by an addict and dealer really a value-providing transaction? Common sense says no, yet subjectively, both parties wanted to do the transaction, so what's the problem? Is subjective evaluation of the benefits of trade enough to determine whether it's value-adding?

This is not an idle question. The British got a lot of resources from China by getting them addicted to opium. That would seem at some level nasty and unfair, that people were in some way tricked.

In other words, there has to be some expansion of the definition of fraud to align our definition of providing value to practical experience. Does selling drugs to an addict provide value? Subjective value says if it's done voluntarily it is. Can fraud be defined precisely enough that we can align our intuition that such trades don't provide value? This is the gap through which much evil is justified. We seek here to close that gap.

What's the character of these problematic trades? First, the person buying doesn't have self-control. There's little personal responsibility and the trade is made under some personal distress. Clearly, such buyers don't have low enough time preference and we could leave it at that, but it's unsatisfactory because these people are hurting themselves. Many such actions like that are clearly detrimental and value-subtracting. Suicide is clearly detrimental, for example, and is essentially a transaction with yourself.

And this is where we get a little more intuition about what's value-adding. The obviously bad transactions are done by people committing violence to themselves.

Please don't misunderstand where I'm going with this. I'm not using some concept of violence against ourselves as the justification for government tyranny, by saying that they are protecting you from yourself. I'm only saying that we should acknowledge that some people do commit violence to themselves and that this is not a good thing or a value-adding thing.

Should we be preventing people from committing violence to themselves? That's a much harder question, because doing so may infringe on their human rights. But you can condemn the people selling this stuff as if it's something good. They are committing fraud in how they present their goods and/or services.

Indeed, that's what's been happening. The people with the profit motive are getting angry, because they don't like other people interfering with their sales with moral condemnation which is really bad publicity. But this is the normal consequence of bad behavior. You get condemnation by third parties. That doesn't mean third parties should now suddenly be trusted, but we need more information in the market, not less.

Now, some behavior that is condemned by one group may not be considered bad by another. This is where we get some subjectiveness to morality. And this is where we also get a lot of righteous indignation. But there is another dimension, particularly of violence to yourself that need explaining. Not everything voluntary provides value.

Austrian economics does not assume that voluntary transactions are value-providing from the standpoint of some observer not involved in the exchange. It only asserts that the parties involved showed through their revealed preference that they considered the trade to be value-providing to themselves, and only in the ex ante sense. They may later regret the exchange for any reason, including the legitimate moral reasons you refer to. Also, Austrian economics does not assume that people's values are all constructive or moral, only that they have these values and have a rank order of these as a basis for action.

From a libertarian perspective, distinct but compatible to the Austrian one, there is no assertion of any voluntary trade being value-providing either. It only asserts that others do not have the right to coerce those making non-value providing choices, so long as others' property rights are not infringed on.

Finney being Satoshi or being part of a “conspiracy” with others never made sense to me. Why go to such great lengths to hide his involvement in v0.1 only to doxx himself shortly after as the second bitcoin user?