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Major improvements all around. Feed marketplace will be a game changer

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Woah! Cashu activity is 🚀

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My favorite search engine embraces my favorite protocol! Christmas came early :) 🌲 𓅦 ⚡️

If you have ideas around how Kagi can best serve nostr users, let them know here!

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[New Pod] Complexity Rules Everything Around Me with nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a

Fountain: https://fountain.fm/episode/DwCEXFLNpWjUBpIpUJSD

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/complexity-rules-everything-around-me-with-lyn-alden/id1731637285?i=1000675372927

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w78nH7d-N6c

Substack: https://hivemindvc.substack.com/p/complexity-rules-everything-around

This was a fun and fascinating conversation with Lyn Alden! We discuss a number of topics about which she’s not typically asked. One common thread throughout the conversation is how best to understand and invest around complex systems. Please note that while Lyn and I discuss some biohacking/energy boosting stuff, we’re definitely not doctors, so do your own research ;)

Here are a few of the topics we cover:

Energy Hacks

- Lyn’s favorite energy boosting hacks, including: magnesium, sardines, vitamin K2, vitamin A, cold plunges, and sprinting

Complexity and Permaculture

- Lyn’s fascination with permaculture and the application of permaculture principles to our information diets

- How Lyn builds a brand around being open and intellectually honest to avoid group think and audience capture

- Top down vs. bottom up (Communism vs. Capitalism) is the big story of the 20th century that continues today

Nostr

- The promise of Nostr as a new substrate for re-wilding the web and its ultimate TAM

- Evaluating Nostr vs. other systems/protocols attempting to build a decentralized identity/data system

- NOSTR project requests from Lyn and Max

Big Tech and AI

- Lyn’s take that AI is a continuation of the cloud computing wave, which means it’s centralizing in the medium term

- BUT these big companies are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by restricting and closing off their products, which leaves an opening for tech that’s a year or so behind but actually open and less neutered

- Lyn is less bullish on AGI; the biggest breakthroughs are likely to come out of left field like trillion dollar health care companies

- Lyn is also less bullish on robotics because it’s energy intensive and more complex; software often goes faster than you think and hardware often goes slower than you think

Open Source Software and Companies

- The big winners from open source software are platform aggregators (e.g. AWS) and users

- Lyn analogizes companies built on open source software to ETFs - products with trillions of dollars under management but companies like Black Rock, State Street, and Invesco, which are big but not massive. BlackRock is a $160B company and only half of that is ETFs. Big but not Google or Apple. ETF businesses are worth a couple hundred billion for an industry worth >$10 trillion; the true winners here are the users as margins race to the bottom

MicroStrategy

- Can $MSTR sustain its premium trading 3x to NAV ?

- $MSTR advantages: founder control and growing liquidity network effects (e.g. MSTR options markets); very few ETFs and companies will achieve sufficient liquidity in their options markets

Bitcoin and Energy

- Bitcoin is energy backed money - external entropy is what makes the Bitcoin system not circular logic (like proof of state) and a truly autonomous system

- Both Lyn and Max track energy price/density models for Bitcoin

- Lyn also uses MVRV Z-Score for tracking fair Bitcoin price

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These are great points. I hear you on the concern around what happens if Jack's funding dries up. To be clear though, I've also invested in a number of companies who are using nostr as a part of their core infrastructure even if it's not their primary focus. Many of these cos are making money (with paths to profitability) and do run relays (though focused on specific subsets of nostr). Examples include Fountain and Alby (in addition to more obvious ones like Primal).

I'm seeing demand for specialized paid relays for use cases like Nostr Wallet Connect. No one (at least not me) could have predicted that relay infrastructure would be used for something like passing lightning invoices around when nostr got started. Lightspark recently announced that they've built their UMA stack on top of NWC and now have economic incentive to run or pay for relays (although again only storing specific subsets of nostr data).

All that to say, I'm seeing companies with real revenue using and paying for at least some nostr infrastructure. This was not the case even 6 mos ago so seems like we're headed in an at least somewhat promising direction. Some of those experiments are starting to bear fruit. To be fair though, while I really like and appreciate the grant funding, I'm much more bullish on startup investing because startups are trying to become self sustainable.

I agree things could certainly be better though. And I know I need to dive deper into #ditto. You like this model because it incentivizes communities to pay for relays?

What else could we do to make sure relay operators are profitable? Again, pay to post relays make a lot of sense to me. I hope to see experimentation there.

And also on the funding point, our total funding is still a pittance compared to more centralized networks like Bluesky or Farcaster. I also think we generally lack CEOs (with a few exceptions). I love the hackers (truly I do!). But I'm trying my best to find the entrepreneurs who really want to make money. Most of these types that I'm speaking with are barely aware of nostr's existence. I'm hoping I can help change that at least on the margin ;)

Replying to Avatar Melvin Carvalho

So, just as a quick reminder—Nostr has actually had quite a lot of funding. Even with around $1M each month, it hasn’t really seen sustained growth, so we have to consider what might happen without that level of support. If the funding were to dry up, it’s quite likely we’d see a real drop-off in users.

It feels like the relay network could have used more attention and funding early on. With that neglected, we’re seeing operators start to move on. And right now, there’s not much of a sustainable business model to rely on—practically no revenue streams. This makes it hard to envision a future without ongoing appeals for funding, especially to Jack, whose generosity has been key.

I think part of the challenge is that scaling just hasn’t been factored in. Simplicity can be great, but it doesn’t inherently scale. Now there’s talk of adding complexity through negentropy, which may end up fragmenting the network rather than improving things. It’s also easy to assume things scale by default, but most systems don’t—scaling takes deliberate work and careful planning. Nostr has struggled in this regard, and the NIPs have grown more centralized, which has also limited the flexibility needed for use cases and architecture. Only #ditto has really made an effort there.

The social graph portability in Nostr is actually very promising. It’s an elegant solution—using hashes to identify users is a technique we know well and can apply in many contexts. Other projects like #pubky are experimenting with similar approaches, and it’s encouraging to see the potential there.

However, Nostr’s main challenge remains quite fundamental. For it to become financially viable, it would need to grow by a factor of 100, yet it’s currently at its limit in terms of capacity. And since investment in relays has been limited, the network is unfortunately in decline.

That said, I can see Nostr’s relevance to the Bitcoin ecosystem, and supporting it can make sense from that perspective, even if it’s a philanthropic investment. But acknowledging the current challenges is essential if we’re ever going to fix them. Right now, the developer experience could be much better, and the relay network needs more focus. Some clients are hindering others, and the project’s leadership has room for improvement, especially compared to other open-source initiatives. And there are substantial opportunities we’re missing, particularly around taproot and financial markets, again due to centralization and group-think.

In short, Nostr offers a rich space for innovation that’s still largely untapped. Proof of concepts are valuable, but they don’t necessarily scale. Generous donations have provided stability, yet a more targeted strategy could make a significant difference. At this point, though, it’s still a cost center with a limited runway, reliant on the goodwill of its supporters. #ditto, on the other hand, has potential because it’s built on a different architecture. And by focusing on Taproot-based solutions and market-driven models, we’d allow the free market to decide what works—letting successful ideas flourish while phasing out those that don’t.

These are great points. I hear you on the concern around what happens if Jack's funding dries up. To be clear though, I've also invested in a number of companies who are using nostr as a part of their core infrastructure even if it's not their primary focus. Many of these cos are making money (with paths to profitability) and do run relays (though focused on specific subsets of nostr). Examples include Fountain and Alby (in addition to more obvious ones like Primal).

I'm seeing demand for specialized paid relays for use cases like Nostr Wallet Connect. No one (at least not me) could have predicted that relay infrastructure would be used for something like passing lightning invoices around when nostr got started. Lightspark recently announced that they've built their UMA stack on top of NWC and now have economic incentive to run or pay for relays (although again only storing specific subsets of nostr data).

All that to say, I'm seeing companies with real revenue using and paying for at least some nostr infrastructure. This was not the case even 6 mos ago so seems like we're headed in an at least somewhat promising direction. Some of those experiments are starting to bear fruit. To be fair though, while I really like and appreciate the grant funding, I'm much more bullish on startup investing because startups are trying to become self sustainable.

I agree things could certainly be better though. And I know I need to dive deper into #ditto. You like this model because it incentivizes communities to pay for relays?

What else could we do to make sure relay operators are profitable? Again, pay to post relays make a lot of sense to me. I hope to see experimentation there.

I would definitely love to see more growth. And agree that relay incentives are not yet fully baked for lots of people to run relays, though I think businesses will run them with present model. I still see nostr as the only existing system that provides permissionless identity and a sufficiently simple design to scale. When I bring my social graph from primal/damus/amethyst to fountain and discover podcasts that my follows are listening to - it makes me very bullish. It feels a lot like early Facebook social graph days without the inevitable shutdown. That portable social graph / identity will solve cold start problems for so many types of apps that I can’t help but be excited! All that said, I’m certainly open to suggestions on what else we should be funding/supporting to help the network grow. I agree finding a way to incentivize relays like pay per post could make a lot of sense

This was a fun one! Bullish on nostr and nostr startups

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[New Pod] Designing nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m's favorite shirt, Creating an open music library, and Growing an indie music empire with nostr:npub1eequz6v23szzyx9utphsh8kg6kll50wte6sfh4vah8gdjtplcz6qg7at9s (Founder, lightning.store and nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg)

Fountain: https://fountain.fm/episode/x3v4yu6AuXsmYvdljKZe

YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGimjeyTiwY

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hivemind-ideas-from-the-edge/id1731637285

Substack: https://hivemindvc.substack.com/p/designing-jacks-favorite-shirt-creating

SN: https://stacker.news/items/737103

I sit down with Sam Means, founder of lightning.store and Wavlake for a fascinating conversation about the future of the music industry!

Here are a few topics we discuss:

The genesis of lightning.store

Parallels between Bitcoin and the punk/DIY scenes

Max’s dad - indie artist who made some cool trippy nostr shirts (which Max is wearing during interview)

Sam’s NOFX Nostr shirt (which Max wears frequently)

How Sam decides what shirts to make

Making Jack’s favorite shirt, seeing it on the Super Bowl, and stress testing Sam’s Lightning node + btcpayserver setup

Sam needs a Lightning Shopify app that works (opportunity for listeners!)

Sam got started making a first website and forum for the Weezer fan club

Sam is the consummate entrepreneur: he just does the things that need to be done

Sam’s education was coming up in bands and working venues

Pinkerton - the Weezer album changed the course of Sam’s life

Can a band be big and not suck?

Why the music biz generally sucks for bands

The magic of finding a new band that “flips your lid” (Sam’s new favorite phrase)

The magic of David Bowie and artists who can reinvent themselves

Finding the weirdest 10cc record in Japan

A history of the interplay between music and technology from pre Internet to p2p file sharing to streaming to what’s coming next

Scott Joplin and piano rolls (artists were getting screwed from day 0)

Lars from Metallica will forever be known as the guy who wants to put 12 yo music fans in jail

Music Like Water (2005, Forbes) - early article explaining how to charge for music like a utility

The monthly subscription fee for everything was the first step to a new idea

~97% of artists on Spotify make approximately nothing. If this market can make anything somewhere else they’re likely to try it

Bitcoin is the real occupy Wall Street; Wavlake is the real occupy Spotify

Even though big artists are making money, they’re still leaving a lot on the table with all the middlemen

Wavlake is changing incentives so super fans can give uncapped support for the value they receive

We jumped into the internet super fast. Now Nostr is helping us rearchitect the web by letting people travel through the Internet and bring their social graph with them

Now Wavlake and Value4Value is doing this for Music; the industry was almost completely uprooted in the last wave, but ultimately failed; now we have another shot

The role of the curator in the new more p2p internet world

Wavlake’s grand plan: it’s not a music player with zaps, but rather an open music catalogue that disrupts all of music distribution

Bandcamp and SoundCloud are examples of building a new library from the ground up

Wavlake is following their example with the key difference that their library is not confined to one app but open to anyone (e.g. Fountain)

How does Wavlake compete with Spotify - they don’t

The magic of interoperable networks and instant payments (good clip around 1:10)

Artist still only had to upload track once but the potential for where that track can live and get monetized is unlimited

The negotiations between all parties is transparent unlike current opaque set of deals

We’re making podcasting for music (another good clip around 1:14)

Wavlake’s open music catalogue is inspired by thePodcasting 2.0 spec

Developer splits incentivizes developers to try adding and monetizing music in new ways

Now music can live in all kinds of different experiences (good clip around 1:16)

Interoperability means your social graph and comments follow you to any app you use! A comment in Wavlake shows up in Fountain

LN Beats and RSS Blue also working interoperably

Sam is not afraid of competition, in fact he’s paying to incentivize it

One artist monetizing via bitcoin and value4value will start the tsunami

Check out the Forbes article on Value4Value

Ainsley Costello might already be the first big artist. She had made about $750 over years across Spotify 60+ other services. In one year, she’s made >$12k on Wavlake, Fountain, and other Lightning V4V apps. She was the first artist to earn >1M sats

If 97% of artists can make enough to do music full time in value4value land, it’s game over for traditional music industry. And if they can do well, imagine how well the big artists can eventually do when they cut out the middle men

Superstars like Kanye, Snoop Dogg, and James Blake are just as pissed about the current state of extractive music industry

Average people may not understand exactly how they’re getting fucked, but they know they’re getting fucked with the current monetary and business system - largely because every system lacks transparency

In an open world, companies like Wavlake will need to add valuable services (e.g. licensing) on top of their library to compete and win

ASCAP (what a name lol) fails to live up to their promise to monitor song uage and pay artist royalties

Maxs ideas for nostr business models: #1 remix economy - stemstr for everything and #2 rise of the curator or DJs for everything - getting curators paid for their good taste

Wavlake’s plan to build split marketplaces for music and live radio shows where hosts get paid

Value4Value music podcasts are taking off on Wavlake and Fountain

Sam owns several successful businesses around the music industry (lightning.store, merch, label, venue, zine, wavlake). Each business feeds into this growing indie empire

Wastoids is crazy cool video zine; Sam and his colleagues interview cool indie bands like People Under the Stairs and Red Cross

Check out his pods like Click Vortex, a crazy show called Midnight Music Review in the Attic with an Argentinian dude dressed like a wolf presenting new music in his attic, and a Friday music show inspired by MTV News

Sam starts experiments that could feed into each other and scales them as they work

His buddy works at Aquarium Drunkard and gets major indie darlings to come on show

Goal is for Wavlake to become one of the channels on DistroKid that will catch artists’ attention when they wonder why they made $700 on Wavlake and only 9 cents everywhere else; Wavlake already has simple onboarding for artists, now just needs a simple onboarding for fans

Open library is already 10k+ tracks and growing, that’ll just keep getting better

Sam’s team of 28 pitches in all over his indie music empire

Sam’s secret: he doesn’t know what he’s doing, he just does what needs to be done! His intent was never to run a business, he just wanted to be in a band haha

Sam’s been doing Value4Value at HelloMerch for 17 years. He doesn’t make a penny until something sells; Wavlake will scale in a similar fashion

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Yes! nostr:npub1stemstrls4f5plqeqkeq43gtjhtycuqd9w25v5r5z5ygaq2n2sjsd6mul5 for everything

(Eg see https://pkgzap.albylabs.com from nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm)

I’m looking to support projects that make it easy to create, discover, remix, and share all forms of media (software, agents, music, art). I’m especially interested in hooking these systems up with open source agents and DVMs as well (ideally with python tooling). Hmu if you’re working on anything in this realm

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Almost nothing processed. But probably not enough veggies. General diet is lots of eggs, salmon, sardines, brown rice, and popcorn on stove. Cooked green beans, onions, bell peppers, and broccoli a few times as week as well. Occasional salads and (no added sugar) acai bowls. Lots of olive oil. Japanese green teas in the morning. Buckwheat tea at night. And that's about it haha

I've been experimenting with fresh green juices the last couple days (spinach, celery, cucumber, lemon, ginger). Holy shit do I feel energized!! Like I feel amped beyond belief.

I'm wondering if I've been missing some crucial micronutrient before these juices. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any best guess at which nutrient might be doing the trick?

[New Podcast] Ideas From the Edge: High Strangeness, Memetics, & the Open Source Insurgency w/ Jack Heart

https://fountain.fm/episode/Yq7TAbg6t2BLvdCqGLyM

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/high-strangeness-memetics-and-the-open-source-insurgency/id1731637285?i=1000672400114

https://hivemindvc.substack.com/p/high-strangeness-gnosticism-memetics

This was a fun one! In most recent episodes, I’ve had conversations with builders from the Nostr/Bitcoin community about other rabbit holes they’re interested in. In today’s episode, I sat down with Jack Heart, a longtime blogger and veteran of high strangeness and esoteric rabbit holes galore.

Although we focus primarily on themes from Jack’s blog and recent book, we do spend some time discussing the principles of Nostr and how they align with Jack’s view of building an open source insurgency. I’m hoping to do more conversations with thinkers like Jack from communities philosophically adjacent to Nostr.

You can learn more about Jack’s work on his blog, Tekgnostics, and in his new book, Brave Noo World: A Guerrilla Ethnography of High Strangeness.

Here are some of the other topics we cover:

- High strangeness and the acceleration of technology, society, and novelty

- Tekgnostics - a balance of artifact and epiphany

- J. Allen Hynek - coined the term high strangeness

- The origin of "Foo Fighters" - UFOs

- Cosmic triggers - the atomic bomb - UFO craze after the war - term - UFO coined after lights over Mt. Ranier

- 2012 as omega point for Terence McKenna and the Mayans

- High strangeness going mainstream as dominant paradigm: politicians calling each other weird

- Synchronicity as meaningful coincidence

- Vernor Vinge’s singularity and the end of the human era

- Humor as the highest and most human form of intelligence and the great weapon against bureaucracy

- Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and the Noosphere as the omega point of human thought and the next layer of biosphere

- Humans will ultimately be all right because of our creativity

- Humans are tool and model builders

- Early internet was the first model of the hivemind

- Nostr and gnostic — a happy synchronicity ;)

- Digital evolution and DNA

- Philip K Dick’s view of DNA as a binary system of memory coils which gnosis allows us to read

- The workaround - humans’ core ability to adapt to whatever circumstances

- Jung and the ability to catch ideas from the noosphere

- The Buddha is in the Park

- Discordianism: seriousness vs humor - don’t take the world too seriously

- Humor is the highest form of intelligence; perhaps AI will struggle to mimic or understand humor

- “When I dress like a clown, the cops won’t hit me”

- The clown and jester archetype; the fool and the trickster (Prometheus , Krishna?)

- Meme magic and memetics as mind virus

- Memes are a big reason Trump won in 2016 (Pepe the frog)

- The open source / decentralized insurgency

- The ebb and flow of everything

- Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary, chakras, and the 8 brain model of psychology

- Crowdfunding a billboard for Brazil all over nostr

- Nostr as the open source / decentralized insurgency against bureaucracy

- PKD and blows against the empire

- Bureaucracy lacks a sense of humor

- Gnosticism as the mystic arm of Christianity

- The great Yin/Yang, masculine/feminine, binary dichotomy of the universe

- Why something instead of nothing (manifest vs. unmanifest)?

- The mythology of Ancient Civilizations - civilizations rise and fall all the time

- Creating substrates for data redundancy and preventing human amnesia (Nostr/Project Alexandria)

O shit! nostr:npub1az9xj85cmxv8e9j9y80lvqp97crsqdu2fpu3srwthd99qfu9qsgstam8y8 Now THIS is the content I want on Nostr!

#saunamaximalist

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Cool! I'll play with it.

I'm with you on agents communicating over nostr. openagents.com and fewsats.com are the best examples of this vision I've seen so far. cc nostr:npub1tlv67m7xvlyplzexuynmfpguvyet0sjffce3y8vu0suuyuwgzauqjk7fdm

I guess DVMs as well, though I've yet to find a user friendly way to interact with these - what's the best DVM client right now? cc nostr:npub1mgvwnpsqgrem7jfcwm7pdvdfz2h95mm04r23t8pau2uzxwsdnpgs0gpdjc nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft

Nostr vs. Bitcoin Github star history

Is this a fair comparison? What causes the next vertical phase? BTC bull market? Current apps get better? New apps/use cases emerge?

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The nostr powered music and podcast feeds on nostr:npub1v5ufyh4lkeslgxxcclg8f0hzazhaw7rsrhvfquxzm2fk64c72hps45n0v5 are the coolest things on nostr right now!

And it's only getting better as people share more tracks from nostr:npub1q9pehypl9gg8u9ry305eg35amzm9t2r3r9f820p2sem3ffgn23hqj0vcqf & nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg

Can't wait til I can set up a dj/radio station and stream for sats (with splits to the artsits). I see nostr:npub1q9pehypl9gg8u9ry305eg35amzm9t2r3r9f820p2sem3ffgn23hqj0vcqf already has "artist radio" - just one step away ;)

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Check it on nostr:npub1v5ufyh4lkeslgxxcclg8f0hzazhaw7rsrhvfquxzm2fk64c72hps45n0v5! They have a tab just for music shares via nostr:npub1q9pehypl9gg8u9ry305eg35amzm9t2r3r9f820p2sem3ffgn23hqj0vcqf or nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg

Replying to Avatar Max

[New Podcast] Anarchism, The Origins of #Nostr, & The Future of FOSS w/ nostr:npub1c878wu04lfqcl5avfy3p5x83ndpvedaxv0dg7pxthakq3jqdyzcs2n8avm

https://fountain.fm/episode/GwkMHQvCQCFjmLdqbCeT

I sit down with LNbits founder Ben Arc for a wide ranging and fascinating conversation about political philosophy, Nostr, and the future of FOSS/AI. This was a treat to record and I hope you enjoy! Here's a full sample of what we discussed:

- Ben’s left libertarian / anarchist lens on Bitcoin - the ultimate goal is liberty

- Stateless socialism, Marx, and Adam Smith

- Open protocols like Bitcoin / Nostr and public key cryptography replacing functions of the state

- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon: “Property is theft, property is liberty”

- Soulful vs. soul-less capital

- “The Adam Smith Invisible Bitch Slap” - Ben’s synthesis of left anarchism and Austrian/ancap thought. Open protocols, public key cryptography, FOSS create new more efficient commons in which private capital can participate. But if capital tries to co-opt the commons, it gets the Adam Smith invisible hand bitch slap (see the big blockers from Segwit2x). This creates the playing field for an actual free market

- Collaboration vs extraction - key is aligning incentives so both parties win and grow the pie

- “Value waterfalls and the remix economy”- Max’s idea of how BTC and open source protocols will evolve - similar to Stemstr. Both parties win when they collaborate are incentivized to share the same stream of files which get remixed and create thicker value waterfalls or a bigger pie for all

- Peter Kropotkin and Mutual Aid - rereading Darwin for mutual aid as a driving factor in evolution

- Karma and evolution: 1) nothing is permanent; everything is in flow; everything is relative - one order lower of complexity sees only itself + information 2) karma may be the ultimate driver/law of evolution - a system evolves in its totality toward more mutual aid and complexity

- Hegel and the Master-Slave Dialectic - exploitation requires dehumanization making both parties less in touch with reality and happy; in order for them to both be free they need to become peers. The ultimate goal is more liberation/liberty

- P2P peer relationships are the best healthiest relationships: what we see in Bitcoin and open networks

- John Nash: non oppressive mind space is healthiest - Mind on Strike: giving more people mind space allows their minds to explore and explode open; libertarianism comes from liberation and the need for some equality for this to happen.

- Is John Nash Satoshi?

- Ben’s entry to bitcoin: dorky Uk news correspondents, his students using dark markets, a hatred of banks, and Wikileaks

- The mindseed for Nostr: Ben’s Diagon Alley

- Pirate Bay and p2p markets

- Building the first twitter clone on nostr; apologies for NIP-04

- Reverting a fiatjaf hard commit led to Branle

- Securing http://nostr.com for 1 BTC

- First talk on Nostr at Paralelni Polis

- Finding the alpha with the productive nyms; spear fishing for projects; hanging out on edge of internet; if you’re sending a deck it’s generally too late for me

- Nostr and free / open / non Orwellian / non evil IoT - what all can we build with relays, web sockets, and public key crypto

- Building a new web with Nostr (e.g. see Nostr Wallet Connect and early IoT)- the old web is compromised and drowning in AI spam; dead internet theory is here; Nostr (public key crypto) for signing notes is our best defense

- http://Nostr.com is selling dope NIP-05 verifiers

- LNbits released a Nostr signing device for identity management

- Nostr is best of both worlds online - create smaller forum like communities while still riding on a global network effect

- “A better Internet is possible” - we’re not at the end of history

- FOSS, nostr, and bitcoin are viruses which infect the system: Just like the major financial institutions with Bitcoin, eventually Twitter will plug into Nostr

- Monopoly of the commons is the future; FOSS eventually swallows all (see Switzerland recently requiring the government to use FOSS)

- AI brings the age of disposable software at least at the level of building extensions

- The need for more Bitcoin and Nostr tooling in Python for the AI community so they can easily bring identity and payments / value transfer to the agents

- Max’s thesis: evolution of digital life forms : open source models will evolve into swarms of agents with value - see http://hivemind.vc/ai

- The importance of reputation in Nostr: Web of Trust as a theoretical solution; open timestamps with payment to go higher up a merkle tree; AI agent as dvm for calculating trust

- Ben is more wary of AI long term and thinks it will be more monolithic than swarm-like; perhaps it becomes a benign dictator that could kill us or just give us what we need to be happy; could be capitalism as we know it eating itself and requiring a new system?

- How the Light Gets In: philosophy festival (part of haybook festival): open AI guy calling the god AI Super Gaia

- Max’s idea on AI: there will be always trade-offs resulting in different forms of intelligence

In case link wasn't showing properly, here's the pod with nostr:npub1c878wu04lfqcl5avfy3p5x83ndpvedaxv0dg7pxthakq3jqdyzcs2n8avm on nostr:npub1v5ufyh4lkeslgxxcclg8f0hzazhaw7rsrhvfquxzm2fk64c72hps45n0v5

https://fountain.fm/episode/GwkMHQvCQCFjmLdqbCeT

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