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I would disagree that unions are a push back to decentralization it’s just a corporation in a corporation with special state protections. It’s socialism.

What do you think capital is?

You aren’t a slave to capital cause you have to work, you have to work cause that’s the state of nature. You work or you can’t eat. Capital is just accumulated work. Saved in some form.

If you have a communist system or no property. That means no money no markets. How do you plan to produce enough food to support 8billion people. Unless you have a magic new way to coordinate people across time and space you’re going to end up killing large swaths of them. Like how it’s always ended up.

Also I would argue if you’re just doing correlations there’s way more in common (hyper centralized powers) with communist states and facist states.

OK I think most of your post is incomprehensible gibberish but from what to can pull out is your argument that Nazism is an outcome of capitalism because they both oppose workers unions?

That american corporations have used political and military force to prevent worker unionization and that companies in Nazi Germany did as well?

Somehow this is a push back against decentralization?

Is that right?

I am not saying the us has a pure free market. Its a corporatist system. Increasingly so. What do you mean precisely by Nazism being the outcome of capitalism ?

Im not knowledgeable enough about anything to say that I know enough but I am making a principles based argument about the nature of markets. More precisely that manipulating the price signals of markets have to create inefficient outcomes. So the bigger the distortion the bigger the ineffiency although not linearly.

Just plotting the dots

OK you're not listening. I'm notsaying the us has it perfect I'm saying they are closer to a free market because at least they have historically respected one of the core requirements of a free market called property Rights. Not perfectly, but order of magnitude than Nazi Germany, China, USSR, and as far as I know most other systems. Now could there be some small tribe I don't know about. Probably. But on the order of magnitude of nation state im pretty ok saying that there's been a big gap. You can say communisms never been tried all you want but the only wya to implement it on a nation state level is by the way it's alwaysbeenn done by political force which is just veiled military force.

Its why I keep saying the outcome of both naziism and socialism and communism are basically the same cause the methods they all use end up the same.

Now America might also end up the same. Its heading in the less individual freedoms path eight now. But again the argument is it didn't happen because too much free markets existed. It's cause they moved away from it.

No I'm arguing they effectively do the same thing,inexplicityly used free market instead of capitalist because even the west "capitalist" governments do it too. Just to varying degrees. They all give themselves power and do things that distortnwhat a free market would choose. When I say socialist and communists are the same its cause if you plot it out those 2 dots are way off to the edge andsuper close to the Nazi dot in terms of how much they distort and otherwise are not respectful of individuals. For all the shit the US is, histocially its been a good space away from those in that sense.

I wish they would stop trying to move over to them but maybe its just not an option in the current monetary system.

Replying to bloodymary

Which outcome? Stalin was a socialist in one country. And even Stalin was not as Hitler. First of all body count:

Germany 7M

Russia 20M

And this exactly to defeat nazism.

Second, the main goal of nazism was to eradicate socialism and ideal communism. The Jews were considered to be “communist”. And in fact so it was, as the first kibutz where “socialist” experiments.

Third Nazis would put anyone and mostly for religious reason in concentration camps, or for origins reasons, genetically reasons, Stalin mainly put Nazis or political oppositore in gulags.

Nazis concentration camps where industrial death machines , not the same one can say for for gulags.

The ideal: nazism is corporative state (see USA)

Communism shall be based on decentralised small entities (soviets).

Americans entered the war when they realised Hitler was going to be defeated by the communists, and they did so only to prevent communist rise in Europe.

So, how can to things which basically fight each other be the same?

And again, no country was actually ever communist as it would require all the world to live with the same commune goal.

Socialism is probably the thing you guy are trying to target.

I hear Americans saying that Biden is a communist, which is somewhat hilarious, I would define Biden a socialist imperialist, which is more ore less like calling him a Nazi.

USA achieved the incredible: being able to actually colonise plenty of countries without even calling it colonisation. They did so using internal forces like the mafia in Italy, who had their same goal: defeat communism. Practically speaking, how can someone pretend that the country which hate communism the most (USA) who basically imported all the “brightest” nazi minds with the excuse that if they wouldn’t, then the communists would have ( fvcking laughing stock), could ever write honest history book about their enemies??? Come on… American history books are written by those who won who clearly created a narrative which leads to empty assumptions like

nazism = communism

Look at the outcomes as you said millions dead between both systems. Both used a totalitarian government to collect all the power to a central organization. Sure the stated goal might be different but they act like all other political organizations they collect power.

The argument you're making is like arguing protestants are anti catholics because they fought each other

Or Sunni and Shiites

The arguemnt against it is that it's all the same unless you do skmehting systematically different like free markets. Economic decisions aren't made by political methods. Not which flavor of political methodology is being used.

The rest is just theater.

I think the expectation is that it goes up higher but then finds some point where if the price is high enough others fewere people willing to pay for the bloxk. So you can move your bitcoin but if your utxo is too small it might be too small yo move economically

Because there's a limited amount of block space. As usage grows there's more people bidding to use it so the fees gonup to clear supply and demand

OK I'll bite. Explain exactly how they are different, not in the stated ideals, but in the actual outcomes as they have historically had. Granted Nazism has a n=1 but I don't really see the variance between most outcomes to be that big

He’s making the argument from an economists perspective. Historically advancements in tech create more new jobs than they destroy. Why he makes fun of luddites. Is ai different this time? Dunno