I fully understand your perspective, but a human can most definitely hate another human, and that’s not something anyone can realistically deny.

If one can, in a morally correct manner, hate someone who does evil, like how I hate Hitler for murdering many innocent civilians, I also hate the one who didn’t murder them but fully defends him and his ideology. That doesn’t mean that this hatred will cause me to be unjust or evil to them, as Allah commanded us not to do that, but that doesn’t mean one should love them as if their corrupt beliefs is somehow equal. They are not equal to Hitler, but deserve some level of rebuke. Allaah said about this specifically in the Quraan

لَّا یَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِینَ لَمۡ یُقَـٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِی ٱلدِّینِ وَلَمۡ یُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِیَـٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوۤا۟ إِلَیۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ یُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِینَ﴿ ٨ ﴾

and He does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with anyone who has not fought you for your faith or driven you out of your homes: God loves the just.

Al-Mumtaḥanah, Ayah 8

So Allaah orders being good and just with those who don’t materialise any corruption towards us. But Allah does say in the next verse in regards to those who act on their evil intentions

إِنَّمَا یَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِینَ قَـٰتَلُوكُمۡ فِی ٱلدِّینِ وَأَخۡرَجُوكُم مِّن دِیَـٰرِكُمۡ وَظَـٰهَرُوا۟ عَلَىٰۤ إِخۡرَاجِكُمۡ أَن تَوَلَّوۡهُمۡۚ وَمَن یَتَوَلَّهُمۡ فَأُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلظَّـٰلِمُونَ﴿ ٩ ﴾

But God forbids you to take as allies those who have fought against you for your faith, driven you out of your homes, and helped others to drive you out: any of you who take them as allies will truly be wrongdoers.

Al-Mumtaḥanah, Ayah 9

One clear disclaimer to note, this hatred is for the actions and evil they contain, it doesn’t extend beyond that. So if they stop or change their ways, problem solved. Issue is resolved and not held in perpetuity.

So the fact they may be “brainwashed” is reason to spend time and effort to educate them.

The point I took from the video was that some people have held levels of evil that wasn’t previously noticed. I can never be a friend or likes someone who openly defends Israel’s actions to my brothers and sisters. They are my family.

Yes, it is.

Your line of questioning is vapid and exhausting.

I’m sorry, but I thought I made it clear above. Let me try to be brief this time.

Can one person hate another?

Yes

Is it right to do so?

No, if it’s a hatred related to their physical self; like hating a person because they are ‘black’ or ‘french’ or ‘of Jewish decent’, but hating them because of who they choose to be, then of course. If someone chooses to be a mass murderer then yes, you hate him for his choices. We don’t care if he is an American or Muslim, where most serial killers are from, we only care about who the person is.

Does that hatred remove them from the pale of mercy, good and fair behaviour?

No, based on what i explained above. So if someone is an evil person, I would hate him for his evil, but that doesn’t mean I won’t try to stop him from that

Errm, im a bit thrown of by your response here…not sure how it’s related or what you’re pointing me to?

I have learnt (but it mastered) two different forms of combative martial arts (judo and win chun) but not sure how it’s relevant to the war in Gaza. Feel free to clarify if you feel it adds value to the conversation

Errm, im a bit thrown of by your response here…not sure how it’s related or what you’re pointing me to?

I have learnt (but it mastered) two different forms of combative martial arts (judo and win chun) but not sure how it’s relevant to the war in Gaza. Feel free to clarify if you feel it adds value to the conversation

Thank you for your feedback, and here’s the answer to your two questions as best I can.

1) I was born into a Christian family but later in life accepted Islam, and in doing so, decided to take my morality of right and wrong from Islam. As it relates to the killing of non-combatants, then Islam is very strict about the rules of war. The following are protected individuals in Islam, even if they are from “the enemy”

a) Women

b) Children, both male and female

c) The elderly, both male and female

d) Monks, those who have dedicated themselves to their religion/worship and are therefore not engaged in any fighting

e) Any male who is literally not engaged in the fighting, like a farmer etc

f) It goes as far as to include combatants that disarm and ask for sanctuary, ESPECIALLY if they accept Islam (but it’s not a requirement)

g) There are a few other categories but I cannot remember right now the rest, but the above are the most.

These are very strict rules, as you can imagine being religiously stipulated and it’s not something small to take lightly. Allaah says in the Quraan

مِنۡ أَجۡلِ ذَ ٰ⁠لِكَ كَتَبۡنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِیۤ إِسۡرَ ٰ⁠ۤءِیلَ أَنَّهُۥ مَن قَتَلَ نَفۡسَۢا بِغَیۡرِ نَفۡسٍ أَوۡ فَسَادࣲ فِی ٱلۡأَرۡضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِیعࣰا وَمَنۡ أَحۡیَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَاۤ أَحۡیَا ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِیعࣰاۚ وَلَقَدۡ جَاۤءَتۡهُمۡ رُسُلُنَا بِٱلۡبَیِّنَـٰتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِیرࣰا مِّنۡهُم بَعۡدَ ذَ ٰ⁠لِكَ فِی ٱلۡأَرۡضِ لَمُسۡرِفُونَ﴿ ٣٢ ﴾

“On account of [his deed], We decreed to the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person- unless in retribution for murder or spreading corruption in the land- it is as if he kills all mankind, while if any saves a life it is as if he saves the lives of all mankind. Our messengers came to them with clear signs, but many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Al-Māʾidah, Ayah 32

This is something Allaah informed us in the Quraan that He told the children of Israel not to do (and therefore Muslims also) but also told us, the Muslims, they they still disobeyed and killed wrongfully anyway, in the past.

So to conclude my answer, and apologies for the detail (but detail here is important) yes I agree, innocence is forbidden 🚫.

But Islam does have capital punishment, as you can see in the verse above. So if someone murdered someone deliberately, then the family of the one murdered can choose the death penalty, or take ‘blood money’ instead.

2) Jason’s question, taken in isolation, could be taken to be worded wrongly, as the phrase “stop at nothing” could be refined in a context. A bit like saying to one’s wife “I will do anything for you” which clearly didn’t literally mean he will do anything. BUT, the reason why the guy refused to answer and why Jason said what he said, is because the actions and clear numerous statements of Netanyahu et al has clarified in detail genocidal intent. So although one could argue that it was worded wrong, the context clarifies its correct intent.

I hope the above helps. Look forward to your feedback

Fair point. However, I will push back a bit here. We are not referring to clashes between fighters with random bullets flying here and there and people getting caught in the crossfire, or like a police shootout where innocent civilians get hit by stray bullets. We are talking about sending down bombs from the sky to hit targets where you know 100% that innocent civilians WILL DIE, not accidentally, but they ARE THERE, just to ‘potentially’ get a ‘bad guy’. The target may not be there but innocent civilians ARE definitely there.

So I’m not naive to think that civilians will never get flung into these situations, but we are talking about deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure to ‘potentially’ get a target. And I have not even brought up the reality that nobody is talking about, which is ‘how does one even know where these ‘enemy targets’ are?’ They aren’t even on the surface? And that’s not even talking about the many non-violent solutions one could take before the above.

Now in good faith, have I been reasonable above?

I fully understand your perspective, but a human can most definitely hate another human, and that’s not something anyone can realistically deny.

If one can, in a morally correct manner, hate someone who does evil, like how I hate Hitler for murdering many innocent civilians, I also hate the one who didn’t murder them but fully defends him and his ideology. That doesn’t mean that this hatred will cause me to be unjust or evil to them, as Allah commanded us not to do that, but that doesn’t mean one should love them as if their corrupt beliefs is somehow equal. They are not equal to Hitler, but deserve some level of rebuke. Allaah said about this specifically in the Quraan

لَّا یَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِینَ لَمۡ یُقَـٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِی ٱلدِّینِ وَلَمۡ یُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِیَـٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوۤا۟ إِلَیۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ یُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِینَ﴿ ٨ ﴾

and He does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with anyone who has not fought you for your faith or driven you out of your homes: God loves the just.

Al-Mumtaḥanah, Ayah 8

So Allaah orders being good and just with those who don’t materialise any corruption towards us. But Allah does say in the next verse in regards to those who act on their evil intentions

إِنَّمَا یَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِینَ قَـٰتَلُوكُمۡ فِی ٱلدِّینِ وَأَخۡرَجُوكُم مِّن دِیَـٰرِكُمۡ وَظَـٰهَرُوا۟ عَلَىٰۤ إِخۡرَاجِكُمۡ أَن تَوَلَّوۡهُمۡۚ وَمَن یَتَوَلَّهُمۡ فَأُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلظَّـٰلِمُونَ﴿ ٩ ﴾

But God forbids you to take as allies those who have fought against you for your faith, driven you out of your homes, and helped others to drive you out: any of you who take them as allies will truly be wrongdoers.

Al-Mumtaḥanah, Ayah 9

One clear disclaimer to note, this hatred is for the actions and evil they contain, it doesn’t extend beyond that. So if they stop or change their ways, problem solved. Issue is resolved and not held in perpetuity.

So the fact they may be “brainwashed” is reason to spend time and effort to educate them.

The point I took from the video was that some people have held levels of evil that wasn’t previously noticed. I can never be a friend or likes someone who openly defends Israel’s actions to my brothers and sisters. They are my family.

Could you please explain, if you have time, the good position and bad one, because from what I understood from the conversation, one we answering one question with something that was not asked. It’s like me asking:

“Do you agree with the murder of innocent children?”

Answer:

“If Hamas surrender they wouldn’t die”

That’s not answering my question. Of course they wouldn’t die if they weren’t there, but as they are there, and innocent civilians are dying in large numbers, do you agree in the way they are being killed?

Your feedback would be great

Full of hate for who? Those who murder innocent people and those who agree with that murder? Is that your issue?

Could you please explain, if you have time, the good position and bad one, because from what I understood from the conversation, one we answering one question with something that was not asked. It’s like me asking:

“Do you agree with the murder of innocent children?”

Answer:

“If Hamas surrender they wouldn’t die”

That’s not answering my question. Of course they wouldn’t die if they weren’t there, but as they are there, and innocent civilians are dying in large numbers, do you agree in the way they are being killed?

Your feedback would be great

So, based on the above, are you in agreement with the murder of innocent civilians in order to kill those who resist their occupation? A question asked in good faith.

Do you want to explain? Or just leave it with a label?