Yep, the wallet service has your pubkey to verify payment request. Just delete that.

Many services will also offer settings for the authorized amount/frequency Nostr can spend.

100%, Bolt 12 is the answer. LNURL is a stopgap that does a lot of cool things while also encouraging custodial solutions.

I think Lightning Labs is a big stumbling block here. They seen to be prioritizing a "stable" coin usecase that could very well be obsolete when they get it into production.

You are right, and by the end of the day today I will retire WOS. What's the best setup for umbrel node?

I was using phoenix to send zaps. It works well, although I sometimes had issues connecting to electrum. It’s worth giving it a try

What I said re: convenience holds for the average person, and clearly also for bitcoiners. When presented with the problem of “how do I get an lnurl to get zaps?”, it’s clear what people chose.

So WoS and get alby are sucking up the money that would otherwise go to developers of self-sovereign set ups? Give me a break.

Why are we happy that custodians (the "3rd parties" Satoshi *made Bitcoin to route around*) are the preferred onboarding method for new users?

Happiness has nothing to do with it. It’s about practicality and being realistic. There is a huge part of the population that does not care about bitcoin, privacy, and sovereignty. And they never will unless they get burned. The only reason they would use bitcoin is because it can do something for them (eg zapping, boosting a podcast, buying from nostr marketplace). I still want these people on nostr because I want value 4 value to reach as many people as possible. I want more customers in the future nostr marketplace. I don’t see how you on board a non bitcoiner to lightning without custodians. And if they get burned, well then that’s the best lesson anyone could ever have about the importance of sovereignty.

Well said and good push back, but I'm sick and tired of people blindly supporting custodial solutions and saying they're fine for small amounts etc.

It's legitimately a scourge that has real harmful effects on people as they come into the space.

I could have been kinder in my approach, but if all of the popular Nostr Users are using and pitching custodial solutions, how do you think people are going to actually even learn about the self-sovereign path?

You’re right, we need to be promoting non-custodial wallets. Would Phoenix be a good enough compromise? It’s non-custodial but there are privacy trade offs. But almost as easy as WoS

You should be encouraging noncustodial adoption without resorting to the custodial shame road show. It's divisive and petty.

Do you not think #Nostr users would use good noncustodial wallets? Give WoS credit for their UX and lets hold noncustodial wallets to that standard of ease.

If your objective is the best overall outcome, as opposed to influencer clout, then seek out this balanced approach.

On Custodial #Lightning Adoption in #Nostr.

1. It is impressive just how easy custodial #Lightning wallets have become. #[0] accounts for a majority of zaps on #Nostr because setup is effortless and it "just works". Credit where credit is due.

2. Noncustodial #Lightning is critical to the future of financial freedom and the overwhelming populatity of custodial wallets, even if used for pocket change, threatens this future. We cannot become complacent.

We need to lift up these noncustodial experiences to the bar of ease set by the wallets that users prefer. The best way to do that is by providing constructive feedback to developers and contributing code.

Shaming other Bitcoiners because WoS made a kick ass UX is not productive. Instead, lets hold all #Lightning wallets to the standard of the current best in class experience.

Cypherpunks code.

Cyphercucks whine.

#Bitcoin

I'd personally rather nostr adoption be bootstrapped quickly on white belt custodial lightning than slowly on black belt non-custodial lightning. It's not like the custodial option was randomly chosen as the advocated experience. When the risk is a couple dollars of zaps, you look like a hairshirt demanding everyone be as intractible as you.

So hear me out... the ONLY reason people are using WoS right now on here is because LNURL. Even i downloaded WoS to get LNURL. I assure you that the sats don't sit in that wallet for very long

Claim 1) is not refutable. It’s a hypothetical statement about the future. But regardless, we all know the average person will adopt the most convenient setup. So either self-sovereign is more convenient, or it won’t be the most popular. And that really has nothing to do with what is most adopted currently.

Claim 2) is obviously true. As far as privacy and zaps go, I doubt I will ever send an anonymous zap. I want the poster to know I zapped them, just like I want them to know I’m the one who replied to their post.

Claim 3) is claim 1) rephrased. And as I said before, it has little to do with entrenchment. The most convenient solution gets the most users. Period. The only thing that can change that is if users are in a hostile environment.

Claim 4) is probably true. But who cares? If you’ve already traded privacy and sovereignty for convenience, not sure why it’s a concern if custodians are being efficient.

I don’t think Claim 5) is true. It’s not like custodians are sucking up funding that would otherwise go to developers of self sovereign set ups. As soon as a convenient self sovereign set up emerges, it would get a lot of users. This is like saying because fiat exists there’s less pressure and funding for bitcoin development. That doesn’t add up to me. There’s people that care about privacy and sovereignty and people that don’t.

Now how about this? Any self-sovereign setup would require the user to already have bitcoin and make an initial base chain transaction right? In terms of on boarding non bitcoiners to zaps and lightning, it’s great that people are working on custodial solutions that can make this as easy as possible for newbies

Yer it’s strange. I use Zeus. I don’t know any other way to do it. Just new to the node thing

I just want an app on my node that can generate a lightning address to send and receive zaps. Is that too much to ask(rhetorical)?