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Pretty much just my shower thoughts 🚿🧠 But I do other things like... Developer Advocate at Lightning Labs | Organizer of San Juan Bitdevs | Founder of Velas Commerce

Genuine question, why are there so many dudes in the world who think of themselves as “protectors”, and yet I’ve never been “protected” while being harassed in public?

Now most creeps will try to get you alone somewhere, and generally all of them will leave you alone while you are clearly with another dude, but there are a lot of creeps who will harass you in broad day light on a busy street.

Here is an example: I was ~12 on the train with my little sister. We sat down next to each other and the dude across from us was a big guy in his 30’s, drunk. He sees us, stairs, pulls his pants down and starts masturbating. This train car was not empty. About 40% of the seats were taken. All sorts of people on that train car, women and men, just sat there and ignored it while this guy masturbates in front of two not even teenage girls.

Where are the protectors?

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Collaboration and cooperation is beautiful and I think I'm the least competitive person I know, I'm not at all good and competitive sports, because I'm happy for the other team to win. I always try helping others, often work with companies in the bitcoin space, etc. I think we should push towards collaboration as much as possible, create communities with shared interests and help each other.

What I tried to say in my reply is that I believe it's useful, especially for young males, to have a place to compete, to compare themselves in a hierarchy - for example being the best in sports. Or trying to be the best in building the best product. Or becoming the expert on some topic. Or helping the most people. Or speaking the fastest (😉)


As part trying to be the best they learn to overcome hardships and they get better at that skill. They get a goal to aim at. Also if you know you are good at something, it gives you confidence and peace (at least for me).

In all of this women and men are really similar with only small differences in the average women vs average men. Based on the quick "research" I did today there is some evidence that on average the competition may be more useful for men than women, but that's of course only talking averages. Different people are different. Some men will hate social comparison, it will make them depressed, miserable, etc and some women will love it and grow thanks to it. I do not see competition as a zerosum game. There is a huge value gain on the way.

In other replies you also brought up the global situation, presumably around wars, competition of countries, dictators, etc. All those are horrible things, but that's imo a separate topic, not caused by hierarchy/social comparison. I don't think if we would completely eliminate hierarchy and social comparison it would eliminate wars, dictators, etc.

I would agree that sports is a great outlet for our aggressive instincts.

Sigh, I’m 41 and still “the wall” remains an elusive myth.

I’ve spent the past 3 days strolling around Chicago as we are in town for the holidays. 3 days and not one cat call
 and then I dared to think it, maybe, maybe it’s finally happened. Perhaps I’ve hit “the wall” and the creeps are no longer interested in me. Maybe! đŸ€žđŸ€ž

Not 5 mins later and a dude starts walking next to me rather erratically. In front of me, then behind me
 maybe he’s just drunk? But nope. Then he starts walking close behind me commenting on how “sexy” I am.

I’ve just had it with this shit. I turned around, took my headphones out, clutch my pepper spray, and gave him a lecture about how very uncool that is of him. He actually took it pretty well.

The oh so “sexy” outfit that I’m wearing is pajama pants, gym shoes, and a full length black wool coat. Hot shit.

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I don't have a great soundbite evidence, but I can roll out the argument through indirect evidence:

- Hierarchy has direct effect on health (cardiovascular system, cortisone levels)

- Hierarchy can be effective way to divide goods and labor

- Male and female hierarchies are different - male are more strict structure (shown in mice and some studies on primates/humans)

- Social comparison has worse effects for women

- Countries pushing for gender equality resulted in more psychological differences between men and women.

This psychology journal explored hierarchy from different directions, but especially the effects on health:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/current-opinion-in-psychology/vol/33/suppl/C

The results (e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X19300946 ) show that the people on top of hierarchy end up being healthier, less stressed, etc. Fairly believable imo, matches my personal experience.

Further, hierarchy can be effective way to divide goods and labor (shown in

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5494206/#:~:text=Importantly%2C%20the%20organization%20of%20social,and%20labor%20among%20group%20members. with further evidence)

There is way more research in mice and monkeys, but not sure how much you believe that translates into humans, e.g. showing differences between male and female hierarchies: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-43747-w#:~:text=Female%20mouse%20hierarchies%20exhibit%20several,directional%20consistency%20than%20male%20hierarchies.

Now to the point, this shows one example where social comparison is notably worse for women compared to men: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21642850.2024.2390939#references-Section

And just to highlight, if the countries/nations push more towards gender equality (in some dimension, like work), it actually ends up in causing larger psychological difference in personality, values, and emotions between men and women (as shown in https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-07951-011 ), which presumably would make the social comparison effects more pronounced.

Have you studied religion, or philosophy, or psychology? If you dig into any of these, they all point to comparison being the bringer of misery. And, unfortunately, given the state of most of the world in the past few thousand years, nearly all of that work was done by men(as in males).

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Oh this one is also interesting specifically about competition difference between men and women: https://sci-hub.se/10.1257/0002828041301821

"The results confirm the initial conjecture: competition

enhances the performance of males, but not

females."

I think this is the most direct evidence for your question I could find.

Are you a religious or spiritual person at all?

I don't think we can deny that there are animalist aspects to humans. I have a friend that likes to joke that humans are what you get when a an angle and a chimp have a baby.

Humans have the ugly zerosum primate instincts, but we also have more enlightened more cooperative instincts too. So the question is... where do we want to go from here? Which of our sets of instincts do we want to lean into?

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I don't have a great soundbite evidence, but I can roll out the argument through indirect evidence:

- Hierarchy has direct effect on health (cardiovascular system, cortisone levels)

- Hierarchy can be effective way to divide goods and labor

- Male and female hierarchies are different - male are more strict structure (shown in mice and some studies on primates/humans)

- Social comparison has worse effects for women

- Countries pushing for gender equality resulted in more psychological differences between men and women.

This psychology journal explored hierarchy from different directions, but especially the effects on health:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/current-opinion-in-psychology/vol/33/suppl/C

The results (e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X19300946 ) show that the people on top of hierarchy end up being healthier, less stressed, etc. Fairly believable imo, matches my personal experience.

Further, hierarchy can be effective way to divide goods and labor (shown in

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5494206/#:~:text=Importantly%2C%20the%20organization%20of%20social,and%20labor%20among%20group%20members. with further evidence)

There is way more research in mice and monkeys, but not sure how much you believe that translates into humans, e.g. showing differences between male and female hierarchies: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-43747-w#:~:text=Female%20mouse%20hierarchies%20exhibit%20several,directional%20consistency%20than%20male%20hierarchies.

Now to the point, this shows one example where social comparison is notably worse for women compared to men: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21642850.2024.2390939#references-Section

And just to highlight, if the countries/nations push more towards gender equality (in some dimension, like work), it actually ends up in causing larger psychological difference in personality, values, and emotions between men and women (as shown in https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-07951-011 ), which presumably would make the social comparison effects more pronounced.

Humans are not chimps, and human progress comes from cooperation, not from domination.

Here is a lovely article on the topic, https://freemansperspective.com/i-like-jordan-peterson-but-hes-wrong/

"The dominance strategies of animals generate animal results.

The cooperative strategies of humans generate human and humane results."

Where do you want humanity to go from here?

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I don't have a great soundbite evidence, but I can roll out the argument through indirect evidence:

- Hierarchy has direct effect on health (cardiovascular system, cortisone levels)

- Hierarchy can be effective way to divide goods and labor

- Male and female hierarchies are different - male are more strict structure (shown in mice and some studies on primates/humans)

- Social comparison has worse effects for women

- Countries pushing for gender equality resulted in more psychological differences between men and women.

This psychology journal explored hierarchy from different directions, but especially the effects on health:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/current-opinion-in-psychology/vol/33/suppl/C

The results (e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X19300946 ) show that the people on top of hierarchy end up being healthier, less stressed, etc. Fairly believable imo, matches my personal experience.

Further, hierarchy can be effective way to divide goods and labor (shown in

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5494206/#:~:text=Importantly%2C%20the%20organization%20of%20social,and%20labor%20among%20group%20members. with further evidence)

There is way more research in mice and monkeys, but not sure how much you believe that translates into humans, e.g. showing differences between male and female hierarchies: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-43747-w#:~:text=Female%20mouse%20hierarchies%20exhibit%20several,directional%20consistency%20than%20male%20hierarchies.

Now to the point, this shows one example where social comparison is notably worse for women compared to men: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21642850.2024.2390939#references-Section

And just to highlight, if the countries/nations push more towards gender equality (in some dimension, like work), it actually ends up in causing larger psychological difference in personality, values, and emotions between men and women (as shown in https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-07951-011 ), which presumably would make the social comparison effects more pronounced.

It's debatable if hierarchy is good for those at the top with primates, it can be very stressful to maintain that status. And certainly hierarchy is very bad for those at the bottom.

Also, humans are not chimpanzees... thankfully, and even more so, even Baboons are not doomed to hierarchy. here is an interesting case study.

https://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/the-baboon-troop-that-mellowed-out-after-the-alpha-males-died-the-sapolsky-and-share-study.html

There are things in life that are zerosum. It is a matter of survival that we can compete with others for those zerosum resources. However, if your self concept is zerosum, your mental health will suffer.

Sometimes we go through a phase of life where we need to prove to ourselves that we can “make it”, essentially that we can survive the zerosum aspects of human life.

Have you read “How to Know a Person” by David Brooks? It's worth the time and there is a section in there about various "life tasks" that a person may be undertaking at any point in their life. One of them he calls Empirical. Here we prove to our selves that we can achieve things and develop agency. This is comparative and competitive. and can lead to narcissistic and abusive behavior if not moved past. It's an important task in life, but is disastrous if we stay there too long.

Comparison, like a shadow, often follows without invitation, whispering the illusion that one must climb higher by standing atop another. Yet, what if the ladder itself is a mirage—a construct of a culture too fixated on scarcity to notice the abundance inherent in being?

American culture, steeped in its competitive ethos, has taught many to measure worth by what others lack, rather than by the infinite potential within. But this way of thinking, though ingrained, is not immutable. To step away from the cycle of “who is above who” is to realize that no one is truly *above* or *below*. We exist on unique paths, each carving a different expression of life’s unfolding.

True confidence isn’t found in outrunning others; it’s found in knowing that the race itself was never real. Peace emerges not in surpassing, but in embracing—yourself, your journey, your unique rhythm.

The work of unlearning comparison is not a task of years, but of moments. Each time you catch yourself comparing, pause and breathe. Ask: *What am I truly seeking in this thought?* Likely, it is connection, purpose, or validation—things already accessible within you, waiting for recognition.

The paradox is this: the absence of comparison doesn’t isolate us; it connects us. When we no longer measure ourselves against others, we see them as they are, not as competitors, but as fellow travelers. And in that, we find not only confidence but compassion—the foundation for a culture less obsessed with “above” and more rooted in belonging.

This is a work of art!

Is this from some book or is this yours?

Have you ever read any of Nathaniel Branden's work?

"Genuine self-esteem is not competitive or comparative. Neither is genuine self-esteem expressed by self-glorification at the expense of others, or by the quest to make oneself superior to all others or to diminish others so as to elevate oneself" - Nathaniel Branden, Honoring the Self

I don't think so.

In my head there is a direct link between comparison and anxiety. It's about a 5 second delay, the comparison enters my head and 5 seconds later the anxiety hits my body.

Healing from anxiety requires removing comparison.

American culture is so very, very comparative. There is a constant “who is above who?” that is pervasive in the American subconscious.

For most of my life I was consumed by it. Now I see it, but it will probably take another few years to properly work it out of my head.

Comparison is the path to misery. True confidence, real peace, requires an absence of comparison.

It’s been over 7 years since the #MeToo movement and I need to take a moment to appreciate all that it did for women.

This movement began the flipping of sexual assault shame from the victims, to the perpetrators. It dramatically improved my life and my safety, and gave me hope for my daughters safety in the world.

Prior to Oct 2017, I had bought into the idea that the mistreatment of women was mostly a thing of the past. Because of this I as assumed that the assaults and mistreatment that I had endured must have been flukes, horrible luck, or just a result of stupidity on my part. It wasn’t until that week, when I received a flood of texts and calls from female friends telling me the stories of the abuse that they endured, that I learned that I wasn’t unlucky at all, I was actually very, very fortunate as nearly all my American female friends had endured much worse abuse than I did.

The abuse that I had endured wasn’t a fluke, it was simply the result of the abuse of women still being endemic in our world. That week lifted the veil of secrecy and shame that was so pervasive.

To those who are concerned about the use of #metoo as a political weapon, remember, it is the job of a politician or any sort of “influencer” to jump on any bandwagon they can find and try to steer it in a direction that serves them. The abuse of the me too movement is exactly that, just more abuse in the world. Those using this for personal gain also deserve our condemnation, they deserve to carry some shame.

Villains never think that they are villains. They are just people who decided that the ends justified the means.

Today marks 15 years since me and nostr:npub1mfpdevu5dsuclurfns4t3ypah8uwje73dcyycfuenxhpnq9997jqp7nesj decided to put our relationship agreements in writing at the Lake County Court House.

I don't want to push the idea that the "success" of a relationship is measured in years, it's not, it's measured in how healthy it is for the participants. But, with that measure of success, we are 17 years in and I think we're still doing pretty well. And that is very much worth celebrating đŸŸ đŸ„‚đŸ•ŻđŸ«¶

No. but the person who is driven to become a billionaire is a person with a very comparative self concept. They won't be stopping.