I never tried it, it is sold as a Nostr browser? What would you be looking for from that type of thing to make you change your mind? I actually have Chrome as my Nostr browser, as Primal is buggy in Brave. Plus, I have Firefox, mainly for the Facebook container function.

I feel you are pre-judging other blockchains, sight unseen. Yes, there are a mountain of shitcoin L1s and L2s out there, and it is not humanly possible to do due diligence on a large number of them. However, I feel the more intellectually honest approach is to establish objective criteria which any candidate L1 would have to fulfill in order to be worth considering. It feels especially important to keep this avenue of discussion open given that LN is still largely offering jam tomorrow, at least in terms of the critical aspect of censorship resistant self custody.

Is bridging the same or different from simply exchanging the BTC for the L1? Obviously, the L1 needs to have sound tokenomics. However, it isn't possible to even carry out that due diligence if one takes the view that all other L1s are shitcoins. Which is ironic, given that viewpoint may confine you to custodial L2 solutions, at least in terms of realistic mass adoption.

Yeah, it is heart-breaking to think that there could be technologically better solutions available which unfortunately bite the dust due to lack of adoption. Your point about "no-one has it figured out" makes me wonder if that is partly down to barking up the wrong tree! (e.g. ever more convoluted layers built on a fundamentally slow and expensive base layer.)

The use case for the additional L1 which I have in mind is that is should be fast & cheap to send, scalable, and highly user-friendly to self-custody. So obviously not ETH. The idea is that a L1 with the properties which I just described could work in tandem with BTC to provide a better solution than any BTC + L2 solution.

nostr:npub10mxnle348mzv2dnj0ylgz3zu9gceenc29x9fr4m6mnars66j7vxsnkn8mj what do you think of this overview of current diversity of approaches amongst bitcoiners? Does it ring true to you? It looks like L2, L1, custodial, non-custodial approaches are all being investigated. But somehow, some of the talking has to happen behind closed doors...

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Thanks for engaging. I have a specific candidate optimal L1 in mind, but I get fed up showing my hand on here due to the "there is no second best" mentality. I will repost something and tag you for some general context.

This begs the question of who has the guts to publicly discuss Bitcoin + another L1 solutions.

Thanks for explaining, I now know what to do if I want to take things further!

Is that an apples with apples comparison? I've found out ditto is a social media server, which I am guessing involves my getting technical?! I feel I am more in the market for an alternative Nostr client, I have a few I am playing with.

Yeah, pristine financial freedom tech which only five guys in a room somewhere have heard of isn't going anywhere!

Well done for acknowledging that there are two sides to the equation. I am going with the adoption pocket being the most important thing. If it is cohesive enough, members can get their needs met without recourse to much tech.

Am I okay on Ubuntu? Some people on here throw shade on it, but I am not savvy enough to know if "come back to Debian 12" is tongue in cheek or not!

To be able to pay for coffee with crypto. Tokenomics need to be sound. Self-custody needs to user-friendly enough to allow for mass adoption. Must be scalable. Low or zero transaction fees and sub 1 second finality. Who is with me on this one? nostr:npub1kuy0wwf0tzzqvgfv8zpw0vaupkds3430jhapwrgfjyn7ecnhpe0qj9kdj8 Surely there has to be space for the stance that custodial solutions are the shitcoin/are banks and that recourse to a judiciously chosen L1 is totally acceptable if it gets the job done.

Great comment, we need to get rid of any sacred cows and not self-censor. But where do you want things to go and what are your red lines?

I don't get what you mean. I can refresh the feed by pulling down from the top, but not the relay page. Giving up on poster place + Primal for now and making do with the forest + mutiny. Am using poster place with other clients, tho'!

Wow, thanks , great story!

Well done, you have nailed my underlying intention with L1 needing to be on the table and tribalism addressed. One thing with L1 is the time factor, as the right L1 could effectively present with faith accompli. Do you have suggestions as to how to access the private discussions?

In any event, thanks for this well-considered response, and in particular for the positive note that in fact more lanes of inquiry are now open, and the whole principle that there can be yet more fundamental truths still needing to be uncovered via free discourse.

Is that advice for me to refresh? For my, non expert experience, yeah it seems buggy and the onus would seem to be on Primal to sort it, or what does nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr think?

Thanks, I actually got by with just theforest relay on Primal these past couple months, which seemed to work okay. Would that make sense?