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To me it seems like reticulum is an overlay network - like nostr, but it comes with more complexity because it tries to address problems like path finding.

I think it would be a mistake to make one overlay network (nostr) depend on another overlay network (reticulum) which still depends on TCP-IP. Tor gives relays cryptographic addresses, but it's inefficient and unreliable as a transport layer.

I guess there is no harm in relays supporting multiple deferent protocols / technologies. Time will tell what works best...

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If we want Nostr to truly protect privacy and resist censorship—like when X faced a government ban—we need to stop relying on relays with known IPs or domain names.

We need encrypted traffic between clients and servers by default. That means Tor (and networks like I2P and Nym) should just work right out of the box, ideally without leaving the mixnet where traffic could be exposed at the exit node.

💡 A lot of relay operators are already running Tor onion services, which is awesome—but we need to make them easier to discover and use. If a public relay becomes unavailable, we should be able to switch to the Onion service version seamlessly.

What do we need to do to make this happen? First, it’s about getting Nostr relay software to publish the Onion address when it’s set up. Then, it’s about getting clients to handle alternative transports like Tor or I2P natively, letting users choose between IP (TCP/IP), Tor, or other options.

We could also explore mapping DNS records to onion addresses or including the info in HTTP headers. But maybe the most straightforward approach is extending NIP-11 to include alternate transport details so that everything's baked into the protocol.

What do you all think? How can we push this forward? Let’s brainstorm and figure out the best way to support these privacy-preserving networks and keep Nostr resilient. I think we need Tor support in native clients where users can turn it on with a single click. Or maybe even have it attempt Tor as a fallback when the normal way of connecting fails.

This isn’t a big change current relay info ospec here: NIP-11 https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/11.md

To me it sounds like the relays need a verifiable identity! Users who currently find their relays via DNS and talk to them over cleaner TCP-IP need a way to identify their relays in a post DNS environment.

How about we create an NPUB for each relay and that NPUB publishes a note with its Tor address and its cleanet data. Now nostr clients can scrape this data before it's too late...

I won't lie, I'm at the point where I think I'm just DONE trying to get into #Bitcoin, #Monero or any other coin.

I love the technology. I think it's phenomenal, it presents some truly incredible future possibilities. I also do think it has the potential to free people from the fiat scam. I wouldn't be on Nostr and continually trying to find ways to get into this space if I didn't believe in it.

However, its number one weakness is KYC/AML. Even to buy small amounts, you have to upload sensitive documents to an exchange with some stupid selfie, and you have absolutely no way of verifying that they are doing their absolute best guarding that data even if I were comfortable with them having it (I'm not). It's not even the concern of them tying my identity to my Bitcoin (though that is still problematic), I just don't have any intentions of trusting a CEX with my sensitive data, I am aware of no-KYC DEXes and Bitcoin ATMs. Neither of them work without major sacrifice, risk or geographic issues.

With DEXes, you're risking your money trading with sellers that might not honor the deal. Sure, you usually have escrows, but then you're trusting that DEX. Ignoring that issue for a moment, whatever DEXes I'm on have offers that usually demand either cash by mail or credit card, ans some of them actually run KYC checks of their own. Cash by mail is a huge risk in this day and age, and I certainly have no plans to send a credit card number to a total stranger (and that's assuming one has a credit card; I don't). Then, once again, ignoring that issue brings up another one: the minimum trade amount. Nine times out of ten, any offers I see on a DEX set like a $150 minimum. Problem is, for people like me who just want to start slowly, to test the waters, this is problematic as well. Plus, it goes back to the high potential for scams, and risking $150 that I'm locking away is not a good risk to take, particularly when you're in a tight financial spot like I am.

Then, you have Bitcoin ATMs. Provided you can find one (only one in my area and not in the best town), you're going to spend truly exorbitant amounts on their fees. The one near me charges 20%. If I wanted to start with, say, $50 to start stacking, they'd take $10 of that. Plus, unlike other industries, I've found that it's very difficult to find reviews on these companies and as such, I have no idea how reputable the company is.

At the end of the day, I seriously don't know how y'all do it. Are you all just complying with the absurd KYC regulations or what? Because every other method I've tried (and believe me, I've tried so much) has fallen through in spectacular fashion. How can Bitcoin truly become the replacement I believe it can be, if we all have to either go along with draconian regulations or make a big financial risk?

Please help me understand, because I really am at the point where I'm thinking I'm done trying.

#asknostr #KYC

Censorship resistance means you need to curate your own feed.

You can give up your nsec and and follow someone else's feed using their npub if you don't want the responsibility.

Nostr is where the social layer belongs. Our nostr clients are Turing complete and they are self hosted.

It's silly to run a fully replicated global Turing complete machine. If it isn't fully replicated and it's described as a "Blockchain" it's probably a Rube Goldberg machine that tries to be two opposite things at the same time.

There is no nostr algorithm. Each user curates his own feed. Nostr just standardizes the transmission of content so that you can easily find it and make your own feed out of it.

The beauty of zaps is that they are a gesture of generosity and appreciation. This is the Bitcoin way!

https://youtu.be/JWZPN-SAO3U?feature=shared&t=10m56s

nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucnfw33k76twwpshy6ewvdhk6qguwaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6at5d9h8jampd3kx2apwvdhk6qg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0udvd2m I really liked your intro on decentralizing support for open source through zaps.

Your talk helped me to appreciate the challenge of people wanting to donate without having to think about which project to support.

I wonder if grant organizations could function as oracles for intellectually lazy people who want to do good with their zaps.

Reply guy is now creating new npubs and impostering the original author of the respective note.

What would it take to make my relay charge for notes from npubs that aren't in my social graph?

Does this feature already exists on any relay implementation?