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so an ad-blocker that downloaded the ad-video but did not play it would permanently thwart youtube ad block detection? Don't some already do that? Are they detected?

If people stack sats then people don't spend sats how can people stack sats if nobody spends them? I think this is why people treat Bitcoin like a ponzi. Not saying it is a ponzi, but crypto bros sure go out of their way to make it sound like one And sadly it taints Nostr. Such a turn off.

BTC lack of privacy makes its close to useless as a replacement for fiat. I find it incredible that after a decade none of the BTC maximalists have anything to say about the lack of privacy/anonymity of bitcoin. Devs are doing nothing to address it. Even if you are prepared to jump through hoops ( coin join or whatever) to protect your privacy it remains pretty weak and its difficult, tedious and painful to even bother, you need to be a security expert also.

yes I have found this is the best place. But still, just now I get so much boring

crypto drivel like this (just now on explore/global). Its not primals fault, its just the user base for Nostr is crypto manic.

https://primal.net/e/note1pyw3gx4uf649maklph83e0h2rcurtq5mn97a8jhz923dcxnmzn3qumpfh2

'I fully agree that #nostr target audience should not be Twitter users cuz they are all locked in their #echoChambers '

I completely disagree with this. And Nostr is an even bigger echo chamber of crypo bros. Actually, worse, RICH crypto bros.

Everyone loves sats? I can point to >6.9billion people who have never even heard of them. And most people wouldn't have a clue how to use them if you offered them for free. And many wouldn't even care. You can't buy anything of value with a few sats. that MIGHT change in the future, but that is not now. People don't care, nostr is more important than bitcoin. But almost nobody who uses nostr today thinks that. Fools.

Nostr devs overlook a crucial point about the modern world: Huge numbers of social media users esp on twitter (and majority of westerners who are under 35) describe themselves as socialists. They are not interested in crypto. They want to socialise their opinions not monetise them. Crypto capitalism is not the future many seek. Zaps have hindered nostrs appeal to the masses in my opinion, bitcoin only excites nostr nerds and devs who own crypto already. Nostr should be about freedom FROM money (including crypto), like peer to peer torrenting /chatting if you want to attract the mass of politically active people who use social media like twitter . Free speech should not be monopolised and controlled by corporations, but it should also not be monopolised and controlled by capitalism and money either. Including crypto capitalism.

Nostr devs overlook a crucial point about the modern world: Huge numbers of social media users esp on twitter (and majority of westerners who are under 35) describe themselves as socialists. They are not interested in crypto. They want to socialise their opinions not monetise them. Crypto capitalism is not the future many seek. Zaps have hindered nostrs appeal to the masses in my opinion, bitcoin only excites nostr nerds and devs who own crypto already. Nostr should be about freedom FROM money (including crypto), like peer to peer torrenting /chatting if you want to attract the mass of politically active people who use social media like twitter , of which they are a core group. Crypto may have more success with tiktok users, but I dount it, and at the moment nostr is more twitter than tiktok anyway.

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You are right .. the only way to prohibit spam (and spam related bots , cuz all bots aren't bad) is to adopt a value4value model. But spam really ain't the biggest problem of social media .. it is our lust for clout :-)

A better option ( than Elon's) monthly fee is to have a default charge ( say 100 sats) when you follow someone . A user should be able to change ( increase or decrease ) this charge just the way relays may put a charge . A user ( bot or human) is as important as the "relays" . Anyone should be able to access the "global" stream but if someone wants to see my feed ( my profile ) than I should be able to decide a charge . And only a follower should be allowed to comment on my posts - because before you comment on my post , you should have a view on my history ( the context) .

The reason I say this is the biggest curse of social media is to accumulate more (and random) followers. More followers means we are building echo chambers ( like Twitter ) . That is where polarisation and hate breeds. The problem really ain't bots , it is our lust to secure (and boast) millions of followers on our profile .. like a #socialScore . If you attach a charge to the clout then you turn the clout into a social responsibility.. anyone with large following say Elon or Jack may get rid of spam by increasing their follow fees . On the other hand people like me who don't have any followers don't care about bots following me - so I can fix a lot lesser fees ( say 1 sat) if someone wants to follow me .. this way we not only get a fix for spam , we also break the echo chambers ..

I also don't like the idea of social credit scoring. It can have punishing consequences that are unfair. black mirror.

Replying to Avatar Satosha

You are right .. the only way to prohibit spam (and spam related bots , cuz all bots aren't bad) is to adopt a value4value model. But spam really ain't the biggest problem of social media .. it is our lust for clout :-)

A better option ( than Elon's) monthly fee is to have a default charge ( say 100 sats) when you follow someone . A user should be able to change ( increase or decrease ) this charge just the way relays may put a charge . A user ( bot or human) is as important as the "relays" . Anyone should be able to access the "global" stream but if someone wants to see my feed ( my profile ) than I should be able to decide a charge . And only a follower should be allowed to comment on my posts - because before you comment on my post , you should have a view on my history ( the context) .

The reason I say this is the biggest curse of social media is to accumulate more (and random) followers. More followers means we are building echo chambers ( like Twitter ) . That is where polarisation and hate breeds. The problem really ain't bots , it is our lust to secure (and boast) millions of followers on our profile .. like a #socialScore . If you attach a charge to the clout then you turn the clout into a social responsibility.. anyone with large following say Elon or Jack may get rid of spam by increasing their follow fees . On the other hand people like me who don't have any followers don't care about bots following me - so I can fix a lot lesser fees ( say 1 sat) if someone wants to follow me .. this way we not only get a fix for spam , we also break the echo chambers ..

Interesting idea, but don't like the vision of a world where every human interaction is monetised, even if its by individuals instead of corporations. It also means those with the most money have access to more information/society. I feel like capitalism has already made a mess of that in meat space.

new pipe is great, but forced logons are coming and like nitter it will be redundant soon

true, but does that account for most bots? Paying people to do those things has a cost also, though less than a dollar I imagine. Still, I presumed the overwhelming majority of bots are auto generated by bots. If not, then we should really find out where these poor slaves are, musk should focus on that human rights issue, as that must be one hell of an operation if there are enough of them to disrupt a billion people on twitter .

Bitcoin is not anonymous, and any attempts to make payments more anonymous still requires you to keep records of transactions for tax purposes. Only the experts and lawbreakers can use bitcoin anonymously, and even then its not a done deal. Lightning wallets require email addresses, average people don't or can't self host, and even thats only pseudo-anonymous unless you really go out of your way . Zaps expose your identity, decentralised nodes are never going mainstream. Making bitcoin not useful.

Yes, I don't get it. The current sign up uses an even more complex proof of work/proof of human tool than a capatcha, you have to solve several differnt puzzles in a row. How that doesn't defeat the bots begs the question, why have it at all?

If twitter used monero payments to acheive the same thing, then yes, I believe it would be a great solution to spam while allowing anonymity. Lightning does not protect anonymity either. Its pseudoanonymous like bitcoin and a major flaw in nostr payments (and why I don't support the use of zaps).