Nostr Web Client

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My values (incomplete): lo-fi/lo-resource hedonism, appreciation of the wonderful weirdness of the physical world, .. Just started trying out nostr (oct 2023). Also active on scuttlebutt/SSB. Interests: Linux, sustainability, sortition as political instrument, opensource hardware, Bitcoin, ... Current favorite idea: the world (as in: the sum of all things created by humans) is too complex, as in: more complex than ordinary people need. Ordinary people don't have the time and mental resources to understand an overly complex world. The result is that ordinary people increasingly are unable to make decisions about their lives that actually benefit themselves anymore. In the end, excess complexity benefits mostly the big players/businesses/organisations. To some degree, excess complexity is an intentional strategy of big business. The higher the complexity, the bigger the space for a powerful organisation to find a quirky way of gaming the system for their benefit .. to the detriment of the ordinary people, who _cannot_ game the system. So we need to make societal systems less complex, so that people _can_ make decisions that are good for themselves. If most people cannot understand the world, they are bound to lose. In the end this leads to instable societies and to hatred and violence.

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No expert. But there are def ones that can be eaten raw. I buy them from some Turkish grocer sometimes. These aren't even all that sour, like less sour than a Boskop apple. I eat them thinly sliced, not a whole one at once though.

Or you could make quince cheese or jelly.

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These quinces look wonderful 😍 .. quince is one of the most delicious smelling fruits IMO.

Replying to

Dissident Sound

right now communities function more or less as hashtags.

for them to work like a forum they need to both stop appearing in regular timeline.

and also there need to be moderating tools that work or at least make sense.

right now as a founder you can't even delete spam from your community - that is BS

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> for them to work like a forum they need to both stop appearing in regular timeline.

Why would they?

Let's say people were using hashtags consistently as communities. If you want to take part, you simply search for the hashtag or (if your app/client has the functionality) pin the hashtag as a separate timeline that only contains notes with the tag.

> and also there need to be moderating tools that work or at least make sense.

> right now as a founder you can't even delete spam from your community - that is BS

Some work on this has already been done :)

(NIP32 Labeling)[https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/32.md]

This supports a number of use cases, from distributed moderation and content recommendations to reviews and ratings.

(NIP56 Reporting)[https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/56.md]

A report is a kind 1984 note that is used to report other notes for spam, illegal and explicit content.

(NIP72 Moderated Communities (Reddit Style))[https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/72.md]

I'm a bit sceptical of no 72 though, seems a bit complicated to me.

Replying to

7fqx

I understand what you're saying and I feel like whatever works should be tried and what ever you feel like trying and what not.

There was a time when every hashtag seemed to be ending in -str, but I think a lot people concluded that that is pointless and actually confusing and bad for new member discoverability or what not. Obviously -str some still exist/stuck and are popular.

Communities are confusing, because they do in fact appear as normal posts on 'base nostr'. Just adding that only as a clarification or perhaps to further complicate the issue lol. I can't tell. Afaik community posts show up in all clients, mobile or web, they may just not have the labelling at the top which tells you which community it's from.

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> Afaik community posts show up in all clients, mobile or web, they may just not have the labelling at the top which tells you which community it's from.

I read that as just another reason to use hashtags as communities. No new NIP/feature needed.

Replying to

7fqx

There are some hashtags here that are somewhat pointless to follow in a way.

There are also clients to have Communities, and posts on them show up in the feed.

Satellite.earth

And nostrudel.ninja

Communities sort of function a bit like following a hashtag really

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> There are also clients to have communities ..

Yeah, but that kind of adds another layer on top of plain nostr. I'd prefer a nostr #community to exist and be accessible on "base" nostr, not exclusively in this or that app/client.

My point is: I think it'd make a huge difference if people were to adopt a culture of differentiating between different kinds of #hashtags.

Example: using the following hashtags transports/signals IMO an intention.

#comm_cats (don't know if this is supported)

#commCats

These, to me, say more clearly that the note is adressing a _community_ who cares about cats, than just using the hashtag 'cats'.

Maybe other people feel differently and they perceive using just a plain 'cats' hashtag as having the same intentionality of addressing the community, I don't know.

I like how adopting such a system of using hashtags would enable communities that are offering at least some of the functionality of #reddit communities. And all that with "plain simple" nostr.

Repeating myself here: I think agreeing on some common format for tagging communities would really make a difference. People might also be more conscious about tag usage if there's this explicit hint that a community is addressed. As opposed to just writing a post and adding a few tags that are somewhat related. nostr:npub1njst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9s6k7fqx

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You make it sound as if things are simple.

Things aren't that simple.

Yes, people should have individual rights. But one person's individual rights should be limited by other people's rights and vice versa.

Or would you advocate for a transaction to be legal, where someone pays USD 20M to some organisation to have another person killed?

Or let's say a person is suspected (with substantial evidence) to have commited a felony, would you hold up their privacy rights, as in investigators shouldn't be allowed to search their home or read their diary?

Replying to

Akito

This only works, if everyone abides the same rules.

In reality, the people who write the best stuff, are already hesitant & do not #spam anything.

While the most useless shit posters #spam everything like there's no tomorrow.

So, in reality, using less hashtags just further diminishes the chance for the best people to be seen, because they are so easily drowned by spammers.

This is why, on an open platform based on an open protocol, you cannot avoid #spam enough to just make everyone hesitant enough.

Like, there are even some greedy morons, who #Abuse the AskNostr pound sign to #spam everyone with pictures of nude women, like what the fuck is wrong with them.

I think, the most realistic solution is a strict anti-spam policy & technical abilities to block #spam.

You won't ever delete all #spam ever, but this way it's realistically possible to get rid of 80% #spam without issues.

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Preventing spam completely probably won't be possible.

The worst "offenders" (meaning _real_ people who make excessive use of some hashtags) can be muted individually, though.

Bots are a different topic though, but they can hopefully be dealt with in a technical way, as you also wrote.

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#asknostr - I'm wondering about the usage of #hashtags .. is there a recommended way to do it?

I think #hashtags can help a great deal in building communities, which is - I assume - something that everyone on nostr wants.

And I think it's worth discussing how people can be constructive about using hashtags so that the network becomes a valuable collection of content that can be browsed/discovered without much friction .. instead of a giant pool of mostly unsorted content that randomly passes through everyone's feeds.

So the question is: what heuristics/rules/systems do many people apply, when using hashtags, in order to make them useful?

One obvious (to me) rule would be:

1. Be hesitant rather than liberal when using hashtags .. to not #spam them and thus make them useless.

What do others think?

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Larger amount of growth factors is obviously good for people who're building up new tissue (non adults, body builders, ..) .. but for adults who merely need to maintain the existing tissues, it's apparently not ideal.