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Which wallets/projects currently support #PayJoin? nostr:note12hvzdtldgqlx7klquyg3wywn64rt2c8gy20ph2g494udzp0hrfhq5m0wvu
That may be, but it sure does highlight the central point of failure, and paint an easy target for regulators.
The real issue is the centralized coordination service who takes a fee. JoinMarket could work, but I still think the future is #PayJoin.
Normalize building PayJoin into typical spending patterns which has no distinct on-chain fingerprint, and which can result in reduced tx fees (afaik). Break the heuristics, improve everyone’s plausible deniability.
The Truth is Out There 🤙
I eat meat too anon. Tofu is awesome you should try it 🤙
I have, but probably not super authentic. I usually go this route
Vegetable #Thai red curry night (the canned curry paste is about as much as I can do on a Monday).
#Foodstr #Currystr 
YES
#YESTR
Yeah that seems… broken. My rudimentary understanding was that “smart contracts” were executed by each node. But the whole system is so convoluted it’s hard to determine where the real dependencies are.
If you’re saying the Tornado Cash “smart contract” stopped executing after the devs were arrested, that’s a pretty good indicator that there was some centralized server dependency.
It’s sad and unjust, but not unexpected.
Thanks. I’m still not clear - were the Tornado Cash devs operating a central server? Or was every Etherium node performing that function?
I think that’s the main technical point you could argue in court, like you said above. If you’re running central servers to facilitate the “mixing” etc, plus taking a fee, I don’t see how you’re gonna win on a technical argument.
Were users of Tornado Cash running their own nodes / servers? I’m honestly not sure, but seems unlikely
Of course this is 100% true on a technical level. But there is another truth which the tyrants (and the pleb-level regulators just doing their job) are concerned with.
And that is that we “reorganize sats on the timechain” to exchange value in a way that they cannot easily trace, and which does not fit into their framework.
Yes, we need to educate and fight back against any technical inaccuracies. But we also have to accept that we are governed by some rule set of society, arbitrary as it may be, and the rule setters & enforcers are not operating on a “first principles” basis.