adding in this stupid segment for the discussion:
what do we think around here about section 230?
I hate to bring it up, because I hate lawyers, and I don't really like law, either.
But it's the elephant in the room, so .. just wondering.
definitely, there isn't any "enough" just that you're here is enough. :-)
vitamins. need vitamins. :) redbull isnt going to cut it most likely :)
also, nice clean water
something must have happened to iris.. im looking into it, but just got back from dinner. i added a few back but still not up to 30 yet. i was pasting into there from my list but it wasnt taking most of them for some reason.
how are you doing Kenny?
You're most kindly welcome. and Wonderful. Grateful to hear this.
Rest well, enjoy recharging and we will resume this in several days time, as it were.
I appreciate your passion and interest in this project.
Shabua tov, Ofer. 🙂
You're most welcome and thank you for your explanation as well. It all makes sense to me, and is in line with the overall vision of the project.
Additionally: The KEY aspect of the project is to enable people to both give things away they do not need, and trade things they no longer need with others, for things the other person has, that they want. This defines the trade aspect.
The barter aspect is the other KEY aspect, and is for doing things like user1 has potatos growing in garden, and wants to get piano lessons. user2 just so happens to want potatos, and can give piano lessons. They talk, and negotiate 4lbs of potatos per week, for 3 (1) hour piano lessons.
the barter aspect mentioned immediately above, is what defines the site and makes it different than any other market place i've seen on the web, to date. as far as i know, the combination of barter aspect, free / trade aspect, AND marketplace with either dollars or crypto/lightning... has never to this date, been done before.
This is what makes it exciting though, the combination of these things, can create a very scalable and powerful thing for people that I feel is lacking right now.
Additionally I agree that the underlying backbone of the thing can strengthen the overall design therein that it must be robust, and agile to the above scenarios as well, to be the most effective and thus a truly useful offering.
There are many people who have lots of skills, but don't have money, and many people who have lots of money but don't have skills. This site is meant to bridge that divide, and leave room for the inbetween use cases to flourish and create a better world through this type of cross vertical, flexible cooperation.
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never to worry, you are right on time brother.
agreed. this is going to be lovely.
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yessir. the dedicated server is ready to go, domain is there, with respect design and stitching of NIPS and integration with other tech, we're at the pen and paper stages, but the idea has been thought through for about a decade now, and have been waiting for the socio-economic trends to be "the right time to release." It is now needed.
Idea is to combine IRC/webRTC based IRC with a channel unique to each user, generated on the users nip05 address. in my case, it'd be #ringo_nostr-check.com for example.
-the site will function much like an iris.to, or nostrgram.co, but will be in the realm of jester.io where it's a specialized set of functions and serves as a web app running nostr protocols - thus:
-a user may enter the site, search via engine for "piano lessons," or "heirloom tomatos," or "talk therapy" - nPubs with those skills listed on their profiles will be returned in the search result. much like iris.to has sections for "following," "direct messages" and "global" willtrade.org will have a section for "my active agreements" and "my skills for barter and trade" shortened to "my skills" for UI purposes.. and another section for "free stuff." which is exactly as it sounds.
-a user may then enter the channel of that user, and negotiate their barter/trade through chat. the reason for IRC is primarily because not every single aspect of the discourse needs be recorded in NIPS, only the final agreement. doing it like this in IRC, gives other users the ability to watch barter and trade in action, if they are curious, so they can learn how it flows, empowering them.
-when a user wishes to encapsulate the final proposal for agreement with the person they are in discussion with, they issue a command in the channel as "/finalize-trade" and then they write out in the channel what the trade is for, and the terms.
-The "/finalize-trade" command wakes up the unrealircd plugin and it connects to the channel for scraping the last message, which is the finalized agreement, to be published as a new note, to be listed under "my active agreements" section."
the plugin bridges all this, generates a new note for each user, putting it under "my active agreements."
--- parties carry out the trade in real life
--- parties can @reference the note after the agreement has been carried out, by replying to it, to leaving feedback on how it went.
-willtrade tracks the progress looking for a keyword such as "positive" "negative" or "neutral" and assigns an internal reputation score to the user based on how the trade went, via this feedback. This could be as simple as user1 liking the note on party 2's profile, once the agreement is carried out. This would count as a successful agreement to the site, and would then reflect in that users + count for their reptuation score.
-reptuation score is computed and displayed at the top of a users profile.
-link to chat with that user which will drop them into the appropriate channel to discuss trades with that user, is also at the top of their profile.
(a few more details,) but this gives a much clearer idea of what I'm seeing and where it's presently at.
concurrently published to https://writehere.is/nwo/054-2023-willtrade-design-conceptualization-md
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# please review the above, and thank you.
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yessir. the dedicated server is ready to go, domain is there, with respect design and stitching of NIPS and integration with other tech, we're at the pen and paper stages, but the idea has been thought through for about a decade now, and have been waiting for the socio-economic trends to be "the right time to release." It is now needed.
Idea is to combine IRC/webRTC based IRC with a channel unique to each user, generated on the users nip05 address. in my case, it'd be #ringo_nostr-check.com for example.
-the site will function much like an iris.to, or nostrgram.co, but will be in the realm of jester.io where it's a specialized set of functions and serves as a web app running nostr protocols - thus:
-a user may enter the site, search via engine for "piano lessons," or "heirloom tomatos," or "talk therapy" - nPubs with those skills listed on their profiles will be returned in the search result. much like iris.to has sections for "following," "direct messages" and "global" willtrade.org will have a section for "my active agreements" and "my skills for barter and trade" shortened to "my skills" for UI purposes.. and another section for "free stuff." which is exactly as it sounds.
-a user may then enter the channel of that user, and negotiate their barter/trade through chat. the reason for IRC is primarily because not every single aspect of the discourse needs be recorded in NIPS, only the final agreement. doing it like this in IRC, gives other users the ability to watch barter and trade in action, if they are curious, so they can learn how it flows, empowering them.
-when a user wishes to encapsulate the final proposal for agreement with the person they are in discussion with, they issue a command in the channel as "/finalize-trade" and then they write out in the channel what the trade is for, and the terms.
-The "/finalize-trade" command wakes up the unrealircd plugin and it connects to the channel for scraping the last message, which is the finalized agreement, to be published as a new note, to be listed under "my active agreements" section."
the plugin bridges all this, generates a new note for each user, putting it under "my active agreements."
--- parties carry out the trade in real life
--- parties can @reference the note after the agreement has been carried out, by replying to it, to leaving feedback on how it went.
-willtrade tracks the progress looking for a keyword such as "positive" "negative" or "neutral" and assigns an internal reputation score to the user based on how the trade went, via this feedback. This could be as simple as user1 liking the note on party 2's profile, once the agreement is carried out. This would count as a successful agreement to the site, and would then reflect in that users + count for their reptuation score.
-reptuation score is computed and displayed at the top of a users profile.
-link to chat with that user which will drop them into the appropriate channel to discuss trades with that user, is also at the top of their profile.
(a few more details,) but this gives a much clearer idea of what I'm seeing and where it's presently at.
concurrently published to https://writehere.is/nwo/054-2023-willtrade-design-conceptualization-md
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# please review the above, and thank you.
not looking to clone silkroad.
to be more focused though:
looking to bring a useful utility to people that otherwise just buy everything at the store, and go home poor and suffer..
its no way to live.
if we're actually going to break the 20+ years of dev in the CBDC space, trust me, we need this.
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this is the idea, in a nutshell.
I just need a few people to put it together.
https://writehere.is/nwo/another-way-to-look-at-willtrade-org
#willtrade
the idea is to rebuild craigslist without the suck, and enable barter and skilled trade "haggles" ~ therein: "civil agreements" with a simple two thumbs up system between interested parties. geoloc.search...
you sign up, tell it what you're good at,
and what you have to offer. and what you want.
searches can go both ways, search for what you want to get, or people that want to get what you have.
click the profile, read about their reputation score (% accomplished transactions, # of welches, click to drill down into feedback by wronged parties),
and establish meaningful connections in the local community.
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goals
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-get people not buying as much stuff, and trading it / giving it away / etc instead.
-build real community resilience (and not in a UN agenda 21 way)
-slowly chip away at the GDP, and the fiat system... and inbound global CBDC projects, putting not only viscosity but liquidity in both a hybrid transactional and relationship based localized communal model..
-additional tertiary and quaternary, quinary, senary, et hoc genus omne benefits for the global society and populace...
chime in. or drop mail to ~ hello@yeshua.is
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its meant to be different.. but highly extensible..
i still need a team of coders. do you folks know anyone?
will be happy to describe the project to check for passion fit/etc.. :)
im still looking for coders to help me build a barter trade website..
i have willtrade.org
and a well articulated plan.
i don't use my phone, it's literally buried outside.
get them to chat with you on an irc server.
:)
roll an unreal ircd in a vps or dedicated, and build a mibbit or kiwi irc web widget for them.
unrealircd has been in active development since 1994.... extremely easy to build out.
whats remaining to be seen (and its important)
will scaling hurt the sweet and lovely good mornings and all that?
everyone i've talked to here has been nice.
its the aspect of small groups where everyone is on their best behavior because something is new to human nature.
it was the same as twitter was, in 2006/7 and every social network i've ever been on, since 96 onward.
there are growth metrics and critical breaking points, and it's almost impossible to articulate unless you have observed it a few dozen times.
it's imho a human nature thing, though - and it will be interesting to see how this reacts and responds.
i'm gandering similarly, but the big additional factors are :
-definitive core culture,
-change in the "times" we live in, (if you can't see the govt hates everything and is satanic and the nephilim try to control everything- by now; You're asleep at the wheel)
-slightly different use metrics/community focus
-always leave room for option D
:)