So you understand that nostr can’t work in the way you want it to work if it once gets popular and you don’t want to so anything about it? Brilliant! Is it even legal?

PoW doesn’t remotely relate to the issue discussed in this thread unfortunately

No, currently its only supposed that on nostr everything is public and free and you can only adjust what you see and interact with

I got it, thanks for clarifying your position. I don’t share your views on this specific topic regarding elections, but it doesn’t worth debating on it either imo

Unfortunately, there are a lot of Ukrainians, those who pretend to be ones or those who pretend to support Ukraine who see other solutions rather than stopping rusia and returning entire Ukrainian sovereign territory back, glad you are not one of them :)

Today mute/block alternatives are

implemented on clients (apps) level. Some clients (i.e. Damus) may allow you to hide spammers content. It will not prevent from others seeing his content under your posts though

My personal opinion is that canceled elections is very bad. However from my point of view I have no idea how it would be possible to run the elections in current situation - there are too much issues unfortunately. I also assume that if we try to run elections, it would be very far from perfect and it would greatly destabilize society.

So I personally don’t see any alternatives. And I disappointed with this decision in the same way as I disappointed with the fact that Ukraine has to fight this wad — its all very bad but there are no alternatives

So I’m just trying to understand - you want govt change in order to make proper decisions in military etc to fight this war better. Or you want it to change in order for Ukraine to freeze this war again. Or you want Ukraine to become a part of rusia.

Your position is completely not clear out of your posts and looks only like some provocative clickbait right now

Which one? Your first note says that its very bad there will be no elections, which I very much agree on. But it does not suggest any alternative in such a complicated question, what am I missing?

Move on to where? To become The Ukrainian State in rusia federation?

Or do you believe that elections will instantly help to win the war?

Ok, end of zelenskiy era, whats next?

No end to what? What are the alternatives?

The best what outbox model can achieve (if implemented extremely and exceptionally well, which requires huge amount of man-hours) — is to become a niche technology for “ultra censorship resistance guys” (which it will unlikely to become because there are hundreds of other things needed to become censorship resistant)

The goal is the same - make nostr decentralized social network and not decentralized personal blogs and not decentralized telegram channels

So first, you admit that you decided to moderate content even though you are pro free speech absolutist? Seems like you also want moderation :) its just like you personally call it anti-spam. Other people would call it topics. Others - hatespeech-free, but basically everyone WANTS moderation. To different degrees however, depending on their lifetime experience and needs

Could you answer 2 questions please:

1) do you agree that if nostr gets really popular then different kinds of undesirable content (in your case you call it spam) would grow exponentially until nostr dies or you have different vision?

2) if you agree with 1) then whats your solution — siloing with closest friends in the same way we all have telegram chats for 3-7 people? What other options?

Oh, forgot to ask, since many people don’t think like that — do you want nostr to attract millions and millions of regular users or you like it as a niche community it is right now more?

Lets say I have unlimited LLM capacity and can create any content I want in any volume.

I send it to every relay, to produce millions of replies, and replies of replies … per note, and also produce billions of notes using different pubkeys connected in nets. Basically, a super spam, but not distinguishable from a real human

And in todays nostr terms all you can do is either:

1) manually follow your friends who you know directly and talk to them only. You can even hardly include friends of friends into this scope because it will be way too difficult to handle. If you bring private relays its basically the same - manually approved and very small community

2) interact with 99.9999% of generated content which adjusts to you and, say, is all about indirectly hinting you a message like “people who are named {your name} usually die 15 years earlier and leave no legacy”

So is this nostr you want to build? Or do you believe that since today nostr content is mostly fun to you then in future for some reason spammers and other bad actors won’t abuse it by some unknown reason if it becomes popular?

So you assume nostr telegram group is more private than your personal profile on nostr? Like, your own “wall” of posts, right? Like if you add a note and you see a person dedicates their life to saying shit about this post every day for 5 years straight and convince others black actually white, you must be fine with that because its free speech and if you don’t like it then nostr is not for you?

And what about free speech absolutism then? I thought free speech absolutism is when either any speech is free or not, but it appears somewhere free speech absolutists are ok with moderation, cancellation and other forma of censoring. Btw, on tg each individual user can also “mute” every other user who they don’t like. But for some reason those with permissions decide what is free and what is not

I think everyone WANTS moderation of different sorts, especially when we talk about real scale, real spammers etc and not what nostr faces right now - there are more root notes right now than replies meaning mostly people talk to themselves. But some people still haven’t found out which type of moderation they prefer and believe “no moderation is better than bad moderation”

Nostr can really change things but all those screaming “embrace mute”, “no algo”, “free speech absolutism” etc just because there is no technical solution for this yet — can really make it stop

We have a nostr telegram group. Whats your opinion on why does it get heavily moderated, if it doesn’t make sense and those people building nostr should probably know all you mention here much better than the rest?

Unpopular opinion here but those 2 points will never interest a regular user

Most likely users will follow creators. How to attract creators is a whole lot different topic

Regular users are interested in either content or their friends already there

Bitcoin payments and interoperability also not those things which attract regular users

There is no quantum computer threat in foreseeable future, not in out lifetimes for sure imo

wss://relay.nos.today

wss://relay.noswhere.com

wss://saltivka.org

Search and open API is great. Unfortunate though that most of nostr community view evil servers as centralizing and are just going to find out search and open api data traversal is not viable client-side

Its not only nostr.band that supports search. Its noswhere.com, nos.today and saltivka.org at least