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Christian Bitcoiner and developer of coracle.social. Learn more at info.coracle.social. If you can't tell the difference between me and a scammer, use a nostr client with web of trust support.

That's because it doesn't have a content warning 😂

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I think he's aware of nostr at least. I was listening to nostr:nprofile1qqstwz8h8yh43pqxyykr3qh8kw7qmxcg6chet7shp5yezflvufmsuhsprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvqyv8wumn8ghj7mrfva58gmnfdenhyetvv9ujucm0d5q3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7nc7ks5 the other day, and it sounded like stemstr was the first pwa on there. You guys are really the first ones to transcend the protocol I think, which is a huge accomplishment

For lightning or ecash? I don't know anything about ecash

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. What does e-cash have over lightning in this scenario?

I wouldn't call blastr "control"

Replying to Avatar Vitor Pamplona

Yes, wraps can hide the identity of the signer from the relay too. But that doesn't mean the relay doesn't know who they are. The relay can see all filters and can guess really well who is asking for that data from that IP and use that to guess who is the owner/signer of the GiftWrap.

nostr:npub12262qa4uhw7u8gdwlgmntqtv7aye8vdcmvszkqwgs0zchel6mz7s6cgrkj might add NIP-42 AUTH to make that more clear. The signer of the connection doesn't necessarily mean that it's the writer of the GiftWrap. But it can always be guessed by the relay.

Relays are always trusted services for authors. They know everything coming out of your machine.

Yes, AUTH is a fine solution if you don't care about the relay knowing about you. But a VPN or proxy and single-use connection would also obscure the identity of the sender (assuming the relay doesn't mind accepting the note for some other reason than authentication).

AUTH, but that's not a good solution. You want to avoid relay surveillance too.

This is built into your original question. Wraps can hide the identity of the signer from the relay too, but you explicitly asked for the opposite.

Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

Is it just me, or does it seem like everyone is super reluctant to monetize services and relays on #Nostr?

If we can’t make these things sustainable then we will either lose them, or they will stay nothing more than a weird little corner of the internet with lots of hope but no chance of ever scaling.

I still haven’t seen the basic model of zap sharing tried by any major client or relay. But I DO see regularly comments about how expensive relays are. I mean it might not work, but can’t we TRY it?

I want to make the distinction here too that this doesn’t mean we are closing off the network, we are adding permissions to the protocol, this doesn’t suggest at all to used closed source code, we simply need the services necessary to keep this ecosystem robust, to be profitable and have the resources to thrive. If they aren’t, then NONE of this works. Economics is everything.

I know building features is more exciting. I know we all want to make everything that we can free, and I agree all of the *code* should be shared. However, I think there is a natural insecurity (and I say this because I have this problem personally) with charging a fair price, and fearing criticism or the ire of people who believe everything should be free (as in price) when we need things to be free (as in Liberty). They are not the same, and confusing the two could stifle, or drastically slow down, the insane potential of this place.

TL;DR We have GOT to divert some energy to thinking about how to make this ecosystem sustainable, or we will lose it.

(Disclaimer: this isn’t a judgement on whoever is thinking about this problem. It just *seems* like few are. If you are building in this way please share your ideas or what you are trying. I’m extremely interested)

I used to think a lot about monetization, then I ran the numbers. For the simplest service I could monetize (image hosting), I could make about $80/mo. There are a few other things I could turn on, but it would probably not get me past $500/mo, and would introduce lots of headache. Better to build now, monetize later when we have the scale for it to matter.

Plus, I fully expect to monetize something other than my current project. Making a living off a twitter clone seems dubious, but there are many good businesses to be built on nostr.

Hey nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet5qyfhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjctzd3jjummjvunh27sl - #coracle just keeps getting better, thank you. Is there a way to increase the "timeout" for posting to relays? I get frequent timeouts, so I have to open Amethyst and hit broadcast...is there a better way? (Will zap a thank you if you have/take time to reply.)

It's not configurable, but as long as one goes through you can click through to the note and re-broadcast using the note menu. I should add a retry with a longer timeout to the dialong too. Also note that just because a timeout happens doesn't mean the relays didn't get it, only that they didn't respond