Dr. Jack Kruse: "When you begin to understand that if we had incandescents, the numbers that you read probably wouldn't be as bad. But you have to realize you're a young guy compared to me. When I went to school we had the windows open. We used to go out for gym. We had books. Now everybody's got screens, they got Wi-Fi, they got cameras fucking everywhere. [...]
"Remember, "Department of Education" is a government place. You're sending your kid to Chernobyl every day when you understand the science. Then when the kid comes home, what do they do? They run straight in their bedroom to do video games or they're on TikTok. Kids don't do anything anymore. And the problem is, parents don't realize they've been conditioned for this.
"This environment is foreign to me as an old guy. What you need to realize, young people who are listening to this, the first thing that they do with kids, they give them a digital babysitter which is. . ."
William Hall: "They put a screen in front of them."
Dr. Jack Kruse: "Exactly. Because guess what happens? The baby's brain has no myelin. It is absolutely the fastest way to addict a child when you give them these devices. It's exactly what DARPA knew.
"This is the reason why they were behind all this technology. They were behind Google, they were behind Facebook, behind Apple. Every screen is blue lit except the one screen that I helped get to market, which is the Daylight Computer. One of my member's son built a computer that can be used in the sun where it works spectacular. [...]
"This is ridiculous that we're taking it. And the reason we're taking it is because you've been MKUltra'ed by light your entire life. They know they can actually tell you what they've done [...] and they still know you won't care. You know why? 'Cause you got your Netflix, you got your screen.
"Your dopamine level and your melatonin level is so destroyed that your neoortex can't think by first principles. That's how much they know they have you."
Dr. Jack Kruse with William Hall @ 51:35–53:26 & 56:33–57:11 (posted 2025-03-24) https://youtu.be/fVUJyK_y3KY&t=3095
Dr. Jack Kruse: "In the late 1960s a guy named Allan Frey comes onto the scene. He does some very interesting work for DARPA. […] He found something called the Frey effect. The Frey effect is that you can use pulse microwaves and you can actually get voices to show up in your head. That's what he's famous for with people who are targeted people.
"But the real thing that he found that was most interesting to a guy like me, is that you could use non-native EMF to open the gut barrier, the brain barrier, the barrier that you have between your eye and your retina. All you had to do is use non-native EMF.
"Remember I told you: silent wars, that you have silent weapons, so you'll have no way of knowing it. When the government gained the ability to open up the blood-brain barrier something very interesting happens in the world that very few people really know about these days. […]
"You look like you're in your mid-30s. You have lived in a world that is now filled with these devices. These are not devices that are targeted at you; these are devices that you hold in your hand. You have computers. This is how we talk with me in El Salvador. They're ubiquitous. […] Each idiot in the United States, on average, owns 12 devices that emit RF or microwaves. […]
"You mentioned something about obesity, about how everybody's getting obese. Do you know that every 10% increase spending of tech money, that the NHANES data for obesity goes up 10%?"
William Hall: "That's absolutely incredible."
Dr. Jack Kruse: "[…] The data is discoverable, but remember what I told you about who we're dealing with. We're dealing with the Department of Defense and DARPA. They've done a really good job with your generation. Remember, I'm a graybeard. I'm in my 60s; you're not. I've seen the fucking nefarious things they've done. OK? What you don't realize is that they've been doing this on everybody else, then they stopped in 2008 when Obama came in.
"Then Obama decided, OK, now we're going to turn this on our own people, because we're going to find out if this really works. […] Obama's the guy that decides to execute the program to see if you really can control a population. What is the major idea that I want you to understand? […]
"We're using electromagnetic devices to control and harness the cows in the United States, doing it with weapons you can't see. […] Our government is waging a silent war utilizing weapons that we don't understand and they're doing it by design. They've addicted you to it. Why? Because the light frequencies that they use marry up to the non-visual photoreceptors in the human body. That's also work that was done at Stanford that they found. Eventually, all of this is codified in DARPA. It's given to Google and then it's also given to companies like Facebook. All of these are DARPA companies at the origin."
Dr. Jack Kruse with William Hall @ 21:23–22:30 & 27:25–30:29 (posted 2025-03-24) https://youtu.be/fVUJyK_y3KY&t=1283
"When you go outside, what do you do? You make more red blood cells. Your blood cells are perfect. When you stay inside, [...] your red blood cell atrophies. [...] When it atrophies you get a disease called anemia of chronic disease. To this day, you open any book in medicine, they have no answer for what causes that disease. I'm going to tell you what it is: it's a lack of UV and IR light.
"It turns out heme proteins, their action spectra are UV and infrared, sometimes near infrared. Red blood cell is very interesting. It's mostly red. It's got a sharp cutoff at 600, but it goes all the way down in the UV. So that means hemoglobin, which is considered a perforin, just like chlorophyll is a perforin, is a UV and IR detector. What's the key for you understanding Becker's work?
"UV and IR light are the key to the regeneration programs. That is what Becker really found. Guess what?
"DARPA found if we bring non-native EMF blue light into the environment and take away the regeneration part of the program, we got everybody. [...] Go back and take a look at your list [cancer, autism, obesity, Parkinson's, cardiovascular disease, diabetes] that you started this with. That's the cause, because you have no way to regenerate any of those things. That's the reason the numbers are there. That's the reason the numbers are getting worse and worse and worse. Why? Because you are addicted to all the shit that's around you right now.
William Hall: "Jack, you are dropping a massive, massive bomb. I really hope that everyone is listening to this. [...]
"When I felt like I was dying, I went to the doctors. One doctor told me that I might have MS. Other doctors were just throwing supplements at me. I went to a functional health place. They just did nothing but take my money.
"The only thing that worked was me waking up before sunrise, standing on the ground with my fucking shoes off, watching the sunrise, and then spending the majority in as much time as I possibly could outside with as little clothes on as possible.
Dr. Jack Kruse: "You got my message about being the Sphinx."
William Hall: "Exactly. Exactly, Jack. [...]
"I got a pair of blue blocking glasses and I wear them at night when I'm driving. One of the things that just incensed me is I was driving one night and I kind of pulled the glasses down just past my eyes. All of a sudden you see that we are enveloped, completely covered in a mist of blue light, at all times.
Dr. Jack Kruse: "24/7. It's not just nighttime light. [...] Blue light's bad fucking all the time.
"The only blue light you're designed to get is blue light from the sun. Why? Because the antidote in the sun is red light. Remember, blue light never shows up without red light.
"That's the key of why you begin to understand how nefarious Obama was. Because he took out UV and IR light so that you would never have it. That's what was in an incandescent bulb."
Dr. Jack Kruse with William Hall @ 47:27–51:23 (posted 2025-03-24) https://youtu.be/fVUJyK_y3KY&t=2847
"In this image [Life magazine cover with the double helix] 'Were You Born That Way?' it reveals our belief that all of your traits, physical, behavioral, emotional are all programmed in the DNA. When we were teaching this in the school we call it Genetic Determinism: genes control and determine the character of your life.
"But you didn't pick the genes you came with, you can't change the genes you came with, so you become a victim of your heredity. If cancer is running in your family, or heart disease is running in your family, you believe that you will be a victim of the same disease. So science teaches you that the genes are the controlling device and that makes you powerless. When people believe they are powerless they become irresponsible. […]
"What we were teaching in medical school is conventional belief that the medical model is that you are a biochemical machine controlled by genes. The significance of that is (this is a based on logic): If a healing profession works in agreement with nature and science then that healing profession should be a benefit to the patients. But if a healing profession does not understand science and nature then it may be a detriment to the patient.
"The leading causes of death in the United States are as follows: #3: cancer, with 553,000 people die every year. #2: cardiovascular disease, with 700,000 people die every year. And the leading cause of death is called iatrogenic illness, and what that means is illness due to medical treatment. 784,000 people die every year from medical treatment, not from the disease, but from the treatment of the disease. Over 300,000 people die from prescription drugs. [Death by Medicine, Gary Null PhD, et al.]
"So the belief in the medical model [that you are a biochemical machine controlled by genes] is false."
Bruce Lipton, PhD @ 12:11–14:42 (posted 2014-12-21) https://youtu.be/82ShSNuru6c&t=731
Dr. Jack Kruse: "Unfortunately, when the money's corrupt, so is the science. And you need to realize everything that's happening on legacy media is actually happening in journals, it's happening to doctors. If you don't think that that's why Mary Talley Bowden is pissed.
"I mean, look, she's been fighting for Ivermectin over the counter for people like your son or the people that took the jab. The therapeutic index for Ivermectin is safer than aspirin.
"But you have people out there, like the hospital she works at, Marc Bloom is the CEO of that hospital. That's really close to where you live. You don't want to go to a hospital like that. That hospital is telling the same story that Dr. Fauci did. In other words, they're censoring you from the truth. Why the hell would you ever want to go there if you had cancer? Because you're only going to the get the solutions that they sell. And that's censorship.
"When their oncologist tell you that we don't think vitamin D plays a role in this at all, they basically told you that we don't think there's any biophysical basis to cancer. That's what they're telling you.
"But you have to hear that message. And the crazy thing is you disenfranchise yourself. You know a lot more about life than you think. Because guess what? You grow things that are alive that we eat. That story in your garden is exactly the same story about what's going on in your son. What have I always told you? That you're getting great tomatoes in your yard, but you're not getting children like that, you got to start asking better questions."
Dr. Jack Kruse with Logal Duvall @ 01:01:50–01:03:22 (posted 2025-03-11) https://rumble.com/v6qh1z2-cancer-beyond-metabolism-bioelectricity-mitochondria-and-quantum-biology-dr.html?start=3710
Dr. Jack Kruse: "When you physically understand the wiring diagram that nature put in us, this is where it becomes really simple, I'd be honest with you.
"Really having good health is not very difficult to do. What the real big problem is, is you have to unpack all the stuff that's been put into your head for so long. And it's a really, really unfortunate thing. I'm not going to tell you that my work is going to keep you around to 120 years, but I will tell you this. You'll live to 80, 85 years old, and you'll fall off the roof replacing your roof, because you won't be on any medicines. You won't need any doctors. That I think for sure is the truth.
"The problem is in the different environments that people are in, it becomes much more difficult. Why? Because we don't realize that the choices that we're making in our environment. We are no longer living in a natural environment. We live in a zoo and we are now zoo animals.
"Therefore doctors need to understand that what's in their book (I just did a podcast the other day, because the book is right up there). My Robbins Pathology book from 1986, there's a little chapter in the book that says Hashimoto's thyroiditis is the rarest thyroid disease that you can get. Today, it's the most common thyroid disease ever.
"What happened between 1986 and now? I can tell you. It was Apple and Microsoft and Google. That's what happened. We now know how blue light actually causes autoimmune conditions."
Dr. Jack Kruse with Hoody and Johnny @ 43:38–45:07 (posted 2025-03-19) https://rumble.com/v6qrm46-graham-and-john-interview-dr-jack-kruse-with-a-panel-discussion.html?start=2618
Dr. Jack Kruse: "Let me tell you how simple it is. […] All you have to remember is this.
"Eat like a great white shark, protein and fat. Look to the east like the Sphinx every morning. That's all you have to do. Four extremities grounded, look to the east. That's why the ancient Egyptians put the Sphinx facing the east. They were telling us something, but we've lost our way. That's all you need to do. If you can remember that you're well on the road. That's 80% of getting better is sunrise. Never miss another one the rest of your life."
Dr. Jack Kruse with Graham & John @ 01:56:55–01:57:33 (posted 2025-03-19) https://rumble.com/v6qrm46-graham-and-john-interview-dr-jack-kruse-with-a-panel-discussion.html?start=7015
Dr Jack Kruse: "I tell my members this, I want to tell you this: wounds create your wisdom. OK? Embrace the suck. Why? […] The punch in the mouth you get leads to the regeneration. So I'm gonna leave you with this thought. This will blow your mind.
"The reason why childbirth hurts is because the pain that comes out for the woman, that releases light in her mitochondria that's going to regenerate her body after the baby comes out. That lesson is even in childbirth. […]"
Hoody: "No pain, no gain."
Dr Jack Kruse: "You got it. My friend up there, the anesthesiologist, he's probably thinking how many times he put an epidural in a woman's back to stay away from the pain. Then what did they do? They took that baby out through the belly. Do you realize what I'm saying? When you do that, is that child a wilded human? No, he's already born into a world where he's a zoo animal.
"What I'm telling you is when someone tells you an uncomfortable truth, something that fundamentally goes against what you believe to be true right now, you have two options. You can tell me I'm an asshole. Or it's the mark of an educated mind to take something you fundamentally don't believe, examine it for yourself and see if I really am an asshole, or that I deliver a punch in the mouth that you really needed so that I can improve you to get you to that next level.
"I believe when we don't embrace the suck […] you don't learn the lesson from the wound. That's the problem.
"Every time I think about epidurals, I think we're not learning the lesson here at all. […]
"Every wound, take it and look for the silver lining in it. It may be hard for you to see it. […] The gentleman, my top right here, he made the best point to me in the whole thing. Covid was a blessing, absolute blessing for us all. Why? Because we got to see what the removal of freedom and what tyranny really is.
"We have a duty to all of us. […] I'm an American, I'm in El Salvador, and you guys are Australians. We have a duty to do something about this for the little kids that are being subject to those covid jabs right now. We need to stop this."
Dr. Jack Kruse with Graham Hood @ 01:48:36–01:51:10 (posted 2025-03-19) https://rumble.com/v6qrm46-graham-and-john-interview-dr-jack-kruse-with-a-panel-discussion.html?start=6516
Dr. Jack Kruse: "Melanin is animal photosynthesis. That's what separates your son from them damn tomatoes out in the garden. They only have chlorophyll to work with. Turns out your son, it's got about fucking a hundred different chromophores that do all kinds of crazy shit in him. You've learned about a lot of them: encephalopsin, melanopsin, neuropsin, rhodopsin, hemoglobin, cholesterol, leptin.
"These are all animal photosynthetic chemicals that work to create this bioelectric current that Levin talks about, that Becker talked about, that even Jerry Pollack talks about at some level. But nobody seems to take all of this together to figure out, how do we keep Logan's son in Arkansas healthy? Well, Doug Wallace told you that answer. Even he's part of this story. So is Nick Lane.
"Turns out the bioelectric feedback on that optical density gives you feedback on the environment.
"When your son gets cancer, it's telling you as his parent the signal's incoherent from outside in. Change that, fix that. That's the key.
"When you do that, then you find out that when you take them to the University of Arkansas and the oncologist tells you this, that, and the other thing, you're like, 'Hmm, OK. This was good, this was good, but maybe this wasn't, this wasn't, this wasn't.' You start thinking about it a little bit differently.
"That is what a decentralized savage does. Remember, I always try to tell people, as everybody says that medicine in the United States is really far advanced. Remember, centralized medicine is the third leading cause of death in the United States. That's not my word; that's the Institute of Medicine's word."
Dr. Jack Kruse with Logal Duvall @ 01:08:20%%01:10:17 (posted 2025-03-11) https://rumble.com/v6qh1z2-cancer-beyond-metabolism-bioelectricity-mitochondria-and-quantum-biology-dr.html?start=4100
Dr. Jack Kruse: "I am not a food guru. I am an engine guru. I'm a mitochondriac. […] I tell people, 'If you want to be a vegan and be a black swan mitochondriac, it's possible. The only problem is, you have to live within the 20s, 20th north and 20th south latitudes, and you have to do some exceptional things.'"
Dr. Jack Wolfson: "How do those people get their DHA? I test all the vegans that come in and they've got no DHA."
Dr. Jack Kruse: "Well, that's the key. The key is, there's a mechanism in the eye called the Bazan Effect. Dr. Nicolas Bazan, he's a world-famous eye researcher. […] What the Bazan Effect is, is we have two loops in our eye. The first loop, any time sunlight comes in, it disassociates DHA and we recycle it in our eye. The key to that process, it's controlled by the circadian mechanism, so if you're blue light toxic or you happen to live next to a cell tower, you lose that ability.
"What's the back-up system that evolution built into humans? Remember, the central retinal pathways has the highest level DHA of any mammal on this planet in humans, and our brains also the same way. We have a back-up system called the long loop, and the long loop connects the eye to the liver. It turns out that your liver is designed to put that in there. If your eye gets broken, your liver can replenish the situation. A vegan who gets as little DHA as possible is constantly recycling. Assuming that they're living on the equator where there's 12 hours of sunlight in daylight, that effect is no longer present. […]
"I had the realization that India sits on the equator […] That was the key. When I figured this out I was like, 'You know what? These vegetarians have made it for four or five thousand years. They've done really good.'
"But you know what they didn't have? […] They didn't have any fake light. The only fake light that ancient people ever had was full moon, and that's where we get the word lunatic from, luna meaning moon. And when you had the reflected blue right off the moon, even the ancients knew that blue light causes a problem.
"It turns out that vegans can recycle the little DHA that they get. Remember, in humans we do convert about 1–3% of ALA to DHA. It's very, very small. But if you happen to have a perfect circadian mechanism, veganism can work.
"Now, do I think it can work in a 0G to 5G world? Absolutely not, I think it's psychotic. But if you're going to do it, you have to do it in a tropical environment. […]
"I tell people, 'If you're vegan or vegetarian, the move to greatness is just become a pescatarian. Just get something in your system. Now that we know about melanopsin and how it works with leptin, once you fix this Bazan effect in your eye with the short and long loop, you can do extremely well.'"
Dr. Jack Wolfson: "Amazing, amazing, and certainly, me coming out of Chicago, huge Indian population there when I was doing my cardiology training. […] The vegans, they've got some of the worst coronary artery disease you can ever imagine. […] It's obviously a major problem for them."
Dr. Jack Kruse with Dr. Jack Wolfson @ 18:32–23:32 (posted 2018-12-13) https://youtu.be/I537lQoiu5c&t=1112
Dr. Jack Kruse: "This is the key. You need to reconstruct your AM to fix your real problem. […] That's why I stopped operating at 07:00 AM, started all my cases at 08:30.
"It's also the reason why I moved to the 28th latitude from where I lived. Why? Because UV-A light shows up. You guys here that live in Vermont, got some bad news for you. If you've got a mitochondrial disease, which most diseases are, you need that UV-A light. It shows up later here than it does in New Orleans. Guess what that means?
"You need more control of your life in the morning than any other time. That's the practical advice. OK? These are not Jack Kruse's rules. These are the sun's rules. OK? […]
"There's another opsin that you may not know about, it's called neuropsin. It's on the cornea of the eye and it's on your skin. It's a UV-A light detector. […] That neuropsin tells the brain that UV-A light is present and it can begin to make melatonin from sunlight. How do you like that? […] It's a nighttime hormone […] because that's when it's active. It only activates when light is not present. It's remade first in the eye and then generalizes all along the brain.
"The other key thing, […] UV-A light turns down energy production. […] The fourth cytochrome is cytochrome C oxidase in everybody's mitochondria. Anybody want to guess what kind of light turns it on? Red light. UV light turns it off. Why?
"What does UV light make in the skin or the eye? Nitric oxide. That's why UV light lowers your blood pressure, because it causes 40–60% of dermal pooling and it helps your heart. What people don't realize the effect is, it turns off your ability to make ATP from food electrons. Hmm. There's another piece of the equation that may be really counterintuitive for some of you in this room.
"It has a lot of other effects. One of these if you have breast cancer or prostate cancer you may want to pay attention to that one, because it affects the aromatase enzyme. […] You need to get your body parts out in the sun. […]
"Taking melatonin is a great way to ruin sleep. OK? […] You have this direct loop that goes to the pineal gland, but the energy comes in here. This energy has to be balanced blue and red. What does this first do? It turns your pituitary gland on. […]
"Blue light balanced by red is what turns on hormone production. If you look at a circadian mechanism, all the hormones are made usually from 06:00 to 10:00, in almost any medical textbook. (They're assuming that you live around the 30th latitude. That's not true. It's different at different places. But it's a key.)
"Anybody want a shocker? What turns off hormone production? UV-A light on the skin. First time it shows up. UV light is what turns off in your blood plasma. […] What's the key point here?
"The key point here is this paraventricular nucleus, which is part of the hypothalamus, that's where the sympathetic nervous system begins and ends. That's the key. Anytime you hear anybody talk about adrenal fatigue, if you go to my site and read Brain Gut 16, adrenal fatigue is due to an altered light spectrum. […] Where's the problem start? In the brain, through the eye."
Dr. Jack Kruse @ 43:25–49:00 (posted 2017-07-12) https://youtu.be/d7qjh4BIGbc&t=2605
Danny Carroll: "I've been studying cancer for the last 20 years, testing solutions for cancer. I found the holy grail in 2012, […] a body of knowledge more commonly known as Germanic New Medicine. The founder, a German medical doctor called Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer, renamed as Germanische Heilkunde, or in English, Germanic Healing Knowledge. […] He had a 92% success rate at healing terminally-ill cancer patients. […]
"Like all amazing journeys, it starts off with a traumatic beginning. […] In 1978 his 19-year-old son was shot and murdered by an Italian crown prince. Two months later he got a fast-growing tumor on his testicle, […] a very rare form of cancer called a testicular teratoma with metastasis to the stomach. He was given a 1% chance to survive. He survived it because he had surgery but he refused chemotherapy and radiation […]
"He was in his late 40s at the time and he had been practicing medicine for over 20 years. He was a healthy guy. He couldn't help thinking that there must be a causal link between his son getting murdered and then him getting a very rare, fast-growing cancer on a reproductive organ.
"At the time he was the head of cancer research at a gynecological oncology unit in Germany, an offshoot of Munich University, a university called Tübingen University. He had 200 female terminally-ill cancer patients that he was working with as part of his cancer research.
"He started to interview them to find out whether they'd gone through a similar type of emotional trauma before they got cancer. Out of 200, 200 had. When he started putting these women into different categories like ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, mammary gland breast cancer, and intraductal breast cancer, what he basically observed was that the women in the same category had all suffered from the same type of trauma.
"The women, for example, with ovarian cancer, had all suffered from some form of profound loss. All the women with mammary gland breast cancer had all had some what he described as a nest or care conflict where somebody in the family basically got sick. He started to see patterns emerging.
"Fast forward, 39 years of research before he died in 2017 and working directly with over 50,000 cancer patients, what he concluded is that cancer is in fact not a disease. It's actually a survival biological program that's there to stop us from dying, to actually not kill us.
"If you take his case, for example, his son shot and murdered, what he discovered is that the tumor that grew on his testicle was actually functional tissue. If you research it on any of the WebMD or any of those conventional medicine sites, they all acknowledge that the tissue is actually functional tissue. That what he learned along the journey is that the tumor on his testicle was actually designed to increase his testosterone and sperm production, so that he had a better chance of getting his wife pregnant, so he could replace the child that he just lost. The survival element of this specific program was progeny."
Danny Carroll with Jerm @ 03:32—09:37 (posted 2025-01-04) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1736054478?t=212
Dr. Jack Kruse: "Nature is totally chaos. Our cells are built in a dissipative way that's called atomic molecular organization. In other words, the way the atoms are organized determines things.
"When you live your life during the day and night you disorder those atoms. Every morning you have to get up and see the sunrise. The sunrise reorders the atoms in you.
"I live my life, I read the newspaper, I get on my phone. That is not the sun. You just plugged into the centralized system. In other words, you have let the disorder and entropy build up. And every single time you do that, you create a problem in you. In other words, there's no way for you to really be decentralized until you understand that you have to come back to the default state every day.
"Now the reason I point this out to you, how do I make bitcoiners better? Get into the sunrise every day. Why? Because thinking first begins with you going back to the default state, so that you don't pick up the newspaper, you don't listen to Peter McCormack's podcast, you don't get on your cell phone to find out what's going on in Latvia or Estonia. No.
"You go out and spend that first hour in nature and reset all the atoms in your head. You go have your cappuccino, and you do the biohack that I told you before: you look to the mountain and you look to the water and say, 'Today, do I want to be more like an obedient idiot or do I want to be more like a savage?' Then you proceed on.
"I think you get to this mindset when you know that your vault is filled with enough bitcoin that even if you make a mistake you can say, 'I can fix these problems. I am willing to make a shitcoin decision to help some of the people out that I love.' In other words, you use your self-custody, you use your autodidact, to pick the people who you want to save, who you know are not going out to the sunrise every day. OK? And there's so many bitcoiners that are making this mistake."
Dr. Jack Kruse with npub169s9jsu7dll9czldmtnfjhu22u4gt6f3umxpqn2k0r50tz9fdfwq0xl3h0 @ 33:51–36:08 (posted 2025-03-15) https://youtu.be/uQLYA_SkwU0&t=2031
Dr Stu: "Here's a really important question. If people believe in evolution over time, things that are beneficial stick around, things that are less beneficial disappear. In every mammal, labor is painful. Why is labor painful? Why wouldn't that go away? What purpose does it serve biologically that labor remains painful?
"Now, putting the biblical explanation aside, when a wild animal is in labor, it's not crying out and moaning and saying, 'fuck.' It's not doing those things. But it's painful. OK? We know that because we've done experiments on animals in labor and they can see that their catecholamine levels rise every time they have a contraction, so we know they're having discomfort.
"Maybe labor is painful because there's a benefit to it, because if there was no benefit to it, then over time, you would think it would evolve away. But it hasn't. What could that benefit be?
"When you have a surge and you're uncomfortable, you're putting out neurotransmitters and hormones that help you cope with that. You're putting out cortisol, which is your stress hormone. You're putting out adrenalin, which helps you because it helps to space the contractions out a little bit and prepares your body to fight or flight. You're putting out endorphins, which are your body's own opiates to help you deal with pain. And you're putting out oxytocin, obviously, a surge of oxytocin every few minutes, which not only makes your uterus contract, but also makes you feel warm and love and connection to your baby, connection to your partner. It's the hormone that helps with milk let-down, although that's not relevant at that time.
"You're putting out that whole cocktail of hormones. Every three minutes or so, you put out a surge. Then you have a couple of minutes to recover and the receptors recover and regenerate. Then you put out another surge and another surge of these hormones.
"But think about this. When you're having discomfort, you're not the only person having discomfort. Your baby is also experiencing something for the first time that it's never experienced before. Its whole world is changing, because its whole world has been living inside of mom, minding its own business, floating around, doing its thing, communicating with mom back and forth. When mom is happy, baby is happy. When mom is nervous, probably baby gets the same hormones that mom's putting out and baby gets a little nervous. When mom eats food that's not so good, baby knows it. When mom eats sugar, baby knows it.
"So there's a communication going on between mom and baby throughout the entire time. Baby is giving mom some of its own cells. Every mom is a chimera of cells from every child she's ever conceived is living inside that woman.
"There's a communication and a beautiful symphony that's going on between mom and baby. Every time that baby is getting squeezed every three minutes that baby is getting a waft of mom's hormones. There's mom's oxytocin: mom is there, mom loves me, I'm feeling warmth. There's mom's adrenaline: that's helping me cope with my contraction. There's mom's endorphins: wow, that feels pretty good. OK? And it's coping fine.
"Then the woman gets an epidural. Suddenly, all those hormones are shut off, because she's no longer in pain. Yet her contractions are still continuing, and maybe even they've spaced out a little bit from the epidural so now they add pitosin. Now the baby is getting squeezed without any help from mom anymore. Then the baby's heart rate changes that we've discussed earlier.
"Maybe labor is painful for a reason. Maybe we're supposed to try to deal with that pain in a way every other mammal does and not artificially make it go away with gas or an epidural.
"I'm not saying that epidurals aren't a godsend; of course they're a godsend for some women. But an 80% epidural rate for women who labor is crazy. Let them move."
Dr Stuart Fischbein with Jerm @ 34:51—38:32 (recorded in 2024, posted 2025-03-06) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1741328385?t=2091
Dr Stu: "When you go into labor, your midwife will likely be the one that's there, as opposed to the medical model, where if your doctor is a group of 10 doctors, you have a one in 10 chance of having the person you've been seeing be your caregiver. And now you get a different nurse and a different doctor, a complete stranger.
"This is not how mammals feel safe. This is not how labor progresses smoothly. So labor becomes dysfunctional, and it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. They do things to make labor dysfunctional, then they say your labor is dysfunctional. We'll fix it by giving you pitosin, without any concern about the fact that there's problems with artificial pitosin. They don't tell you there are risks to that medication. Then of course the contractions get really strong, and since you have to be monitored now, because you're on pitosin, you can't move. So you have to get your epidural.
"Then your epidural, as I said earlier, disconnects you from your baby (I have this theory about that). Then the baby suddenly isn't connected to mom through hormonal change anymore, because mom is now snoring or sleeping because she's comfortable.
"The baby is still getting squeezed every two to three minutes. And baby doesn't know where mom is, and so the baby starts to get a little panicky and its heart rate begins to show some fluctuations.
"The doctors don't like that, so the doctors say, 'Well, your baby's not tolerating labor very well. I think we should do a C-section.' Then you're supposed to feel relieved that you had a C-section.
"It all started because they were meddling with you in the first place. Except in those rare occasions, again, maybe 10% of women, maybe 15% of women, who really need the hospital model, who may need a surgical birth.
"But what about the other 60% or 70% in your country that are having C-sections that don't need it? They're all told they need it.
"Your question was, 'They're all told there's a reason for it.' Of course there's a reason for it! They're not going to be told, 'I'm doing it because I want to be home by dinner.' But that's often the reason."
Dr Stuart Fischbein with Jerm @ 31:29—33:24 (recorded in 2024, posted 2025-03-06) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1741328385?t=1889
Jerm: "Dr Stu, if I'm following you correctly, you're suggesting that there's an overmedicalization of childbirth and it's also driven by a combination of profit and fear. Is that correct?"
Dr Stu: "That would be exactly correct. Those are the two most powerful motives for why we have a system that is the way it is. If we could remove both of those from the system, and we rewarded NOT doing something. If we could bill for NOT giving a hepatitis vaccine then hospitals would probably back off on demanding women get a hepatitis vaccine for their baby.
"If we paid more for a vaginal birth than we did for a Caesaerean birth, if we paid less for induction than we did for someone in natural labor, maybe we'd see more natural labors and vaginal births. When the system pays more for more interventions you're going to see more interventions.
"And how do you drive a woman to be intervened upon? You scare her. You tell her stupid stuff. 'Oh my God, you're over 35.' At the very first visit, they're 10 weeks pregnant. At the very first visit, and the doctor is talking about their age, and being how high risk this could be, and your placenta might give out.
"I don't think the doctors realize this. I think there's a lack of self-awareness in the words that come out of their mouth. Because there's no reason at 10 weeks pregnant to tell a woman, 'God, you have narrow hips. There's a chance your baby may not fit through your pelvis.' Why are you telling her that? Because you're projecting your anxieties upon the women that you're caring for. That's what you're doing. You don't even know you're doing it.
"And you think that that's giving information so they can make informed consent. It's not, because they only tell them that the downsides of, say, a breech vaginal delivery. But they don't tell the downsides of a Caesarean section. They tell them the benefits of an epidural, they don't tell them the downsides of an epidural.
"So they skew their counseling. This is coercion of a subtle form. There's overt coercion, pulling out the 'Your baby will die if you don't do this' card. But there's very subtle coercion. And it goes on in every doctor's office all the time. Some of it is motivated by fear, fear in the doctor as much as in the woman.
"And a lot of it is motivated by profit margin. The more hospitals do, the more money they make. So why would they do less? If I were the chief financial officer of a hospital, why would I want to lower my C-section rate? Because I'm a good person? Well, screw that. Your fiduciary duty is to your hospital entity that you work for."
Dr Stuart Fischbein with Jerm @ 16:18—18:42 (recorded in 2024, posted 2025-03-06) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1741328385?t=978
Jerm: "[…] I am now fairly skeptical of those interventions [vitamin K and the early vaccines, for example]. Am I correct in that skepticism?"
Dr Stu: "You should be. Yes. Let's talk about a couple of things. First of all, the erythromycin eye goop. Women are screened for chlamydia and gonorrhea. If they don't have it, they don't need this eye goop in their eyes, which is an antibiotic. […] That's ridiculous to give to a woman who's got negative cultures or who has been having prenatal care. There's no reason to give the eye goop.
"Let's talk about hepatitis vaccine because that's an easy one. There's zero indication to give hepatitis vaccine unless a woman has hepatitis. And even then, the vaccine isn't going to help the baby. What they need is hepatitis B immunoglobulin, because the vaccine takes a while to work and the baby's going to be exposed to hepatitis at birth. All women are screened for hepatitis at pregnancy. Almost all women are negative, and yet they want to give the baby a vaccine for a disease that's sexually transmitted or passes through IV drug abuse, none of which I think your baby will be involved in in the first couple few years of its life.
"It is a money maker. They don't consider it to be a downside. It has 250mcg of aluminum in it. Aluminum is a toxin. There is no safe dose of a heavy metals in humans, let alone fetuses or newborns. So, the hepatitis vaccine is an absolute no, unless you have hepatitis.
"And the problem now with giving HBIG, which is hepatitis B immunoglobulin, is that it comes from pooled blood specimens. There's no way to know whether those pooled blood specimens were people that got the covid vaccine and end up putting spike protein into that. We've got a real problem now with our blood supply (and those sorts of things, e.g., RhoGAM transfusions). […]
"Vitamin K is a real interesting thing, because there is something called vitamin K deficiency bleeding, which is quite severe and can happen. But the incident of that happening is […] about one in 16,000. We're giving vitamin K to prevent something that happens one in 16,000. We're giving it intramuscularly, rather than subcutaneously or orally, when there's a black box warning on the package insert for vitamin K that said don't give it intramuscularly because it can cause anaphylactic reactions. […]
"If vitamin K is so important for babies, then how come babies are born vitamin K deficient? Wouldn't nature have figured out a way to give babies vitamin K? […] 15,999 babies don't get vitamin K deficiency bleeding and they are vitamin K deficient. Why are we giving them a shot to protect that one baby that might have something else wrong with it?
"Why are we giving them something that's going to thicken their clotting and increase their clotting, when maybe nature designed it so that in the first week or so of life, until the baby's gut starts to produce its own vitamin K through its own colonization of bacteria that a healthy mother's vaginal bacteria, maybe it's not supposed to be thickened. Maybe blood is supposed to flow thinner. Maybe it's supposed to flow into tiny little capillaries forming in the baby's brain and other parts of its body. And maybe that's why nature designed it that way."
Dr Stuart Fischbein with Jerm @ 47:41—51:47 (recorded in 2024, posted 2025-03-06) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1741328385?t=2861
Jerm: "Isn't the outcome to get the baby out?"
Dr Stu: "Is it? The outcome is: How is the baby? How is the baby's life? How's the mother? How's the mother feeling? How's the mother healing? How's the mother's mood? How's the mother's depression? How's the mother's bonding? What about the mother's future babies?
"When you do a C-section on a first baby, for even an indication, where there might be a benefit to it, you've got to remember that now you've put that mother and all that mother's future babies at risk. So, it's not just a one-off. It's not just a focus on the live baby in the bassinet. But the medical model only focuses on that.
"And if you do a C-section on a woman who didn't need it, and when you're looking at an 80% C-section rate [in your country, South Africa], I would tell you probably 90% of those women didn't need it. So you're doing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary major surgeries a year with no concern for them downstream.
"And if that woman in a future pregnancy has a placental problem where the placenta grows into the uterus, it's called placenta accreta, which is increased after every Caesarean section you have. No one's saying, 'Well, let's look back and see why we did that first C-section. Oh, we didn't really need to do that? Well, then this is our fault.' No, they don't say that. They'll just say, 'Now we'll save you from the accreta,' that we probably caused, and 'Pat us on the back for being so good to save you from the placenta accreta.'
"They don't see what they're doing downstream because they don't look. [...]
"I'm an expert in breech delivery and I support women who breech delivery. [...] When I was still practicing, I would see women for a consult for breech, usually around 36 to 38 weeks when they find out their baby is breech and their doctor is only giving them the option of having a Caesarean section. No other option available. Doesn't mention the fact that breech birth is a reasonable choice. Maybe they don't know how to do it, so then they could say, 'I don't know how to do it, but you should go somebody who does it.' [...]
"They don't think about the fact that down the road that this woman may want a large family. She may want six children. And when she comes back with her next pregnancy they're going to start to tell her the dangers of vaginal birth after Caesarean. And they'll probably scare her into having a repeat C-section.
"And then what's the risk to the mother after two C-sections? How about after three? How about after four? There's no consideration for that. Those risks are far greater than the risk that you mentioned of something going wrong in a home birth, in a properly chosen woman, with a skilled midwife at her side, in a system that values communication, that values continuity of care, that's completely different than the medical model."
Dr Stuart Fischbein with Jerm @ 27:55—31:10 (recorded in 2024, posted 2025-03-06) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1741328385?t=1675
Dr Stu: "One of the best things a woman can do is hire a doula who keeps her at home until she's almost ready to push, if she really wants to birth in a hospital. Because getting to a hospital early is one of the worst mistakes you can possibly make, because they will not leave you alone. They will interrupt you. You're not moving fast enough for them.
"They'll want to do vaginal exams. Completely unnecessary. In the home-birth world I was taught by midwives (and it took me a while to unlearn a lot of the doctor stuff that I learned in my residency, in my first five or ten years in practice) that vaginal exams are often unnecessary, most often unnecessary.
"The reason they're done is because of a silly thing that happened with something called a Friedman curve, which was a curve that was designed in the '60s, I believe, maybe the '70s, by a man named Emanuel Friedman, who came up with a labor curve. Now a labor curve is something that, you know, 'All first time moms should dilate at such-and-such a rate. Here's an average rate. And the average rate is about a centimeter an hour.'
"Well, how do you know if she's dilating a centimeter an hour unless your sticking your fingers in and checking? So vaginal exams became routine.
"But the other stupid thing about it is that that line that they drew is a median. Which means that half of all women labored slower than that. And half of all women labored faster than that. And yet if women are laboring slower than that, which is about 50% of women who had labored slower than that, that's considered abnormal. Do you understand how foolish that is?
"And those women got intervened upon. They weren't moving fast enough. We need to break your bag of waters. And to start pitosin. You're not moving fast enough.
"Since when is speed a value that nature desires? Speed is an artificial value that's been put in by the medical community. What difference does it makes if a woman is laboring for 12 hours or 22 hours, if that's what nature designed for her, and everything else is going fine?"
Jerm: "So you're saying induction should be left also to the mother?"
Dr. Stu: "I'm saying that there are medical reasons to be induced, and they need to be explained to the mother. And ultimately, by the way, it's still the mother's choice to do it or not. When a doctor says your baby isn't growing well and it should come out, the woman has the right to get a second opinion and the woman has the right to say, 'I understand what you're saying doctor, but I think my baby is doing fine. I can feel my baby moving. I'm feeling that my baby is fine.'
"And that woman may be wrong. And she has to accept the fact that if she's declining recommendations that she has to accept the consequences of her actions.
"And a lot of times, because of the legal system in my country (and probably in your country as well) women choose not to follow the directions, and then when something goes wrong, they want to blame somebody else for it. That has to stop, too. That's a problem that's part of the reason why the medical model is so intervention happy, because of the fears of liability. It's a very complex web that's been woven that drives these things. And again, an individual doctor is just stuck in that matrix and cannot get out."
Dr Stuart Fischbein with Jerm @ 38:32—41:22 (recorded in 2024, posted 2025-03-06) https://podbay.fm/p/jerm-warfare-the-battle-of-ideas/e/1741328385?t=2312
Dr Jack Kruse: "It goes back to E=mc². Let's just go back there. Energy and mass are equivalent. Einstein said it. Right? So what does that mean? When you add another neutron to a proton, what does that mean for mass? It means it totally screws up the energy. It tells you that H⁺, protium, is more thermodynamically efficient than deuterium.
"That's the real reason the matrix and the ATPase was innovated by nature to use H⁺ and not deuterium. […] Remember, photosynthesis had to take the water in the hydrology cycle on this planet and create photosynthesis with it. Turns out when that water has high deuterium in it, the food that it creates also will have high deuterium in it. And the crop yields will be down. OK? In other words, it's not pro-growth.
"What does the mitochondria do? It reverses that process. But we don't make water with deuterium; we make deuterium-depleted water. So there is a difference in the mirror image of oxidative phosphorylation and what's going on with the RuBisCO enzyme.
"The difference is photosynthesis on earth can take all forms of water and create food with it. But it turns out mitochondria only want to use food that's been made by photosynthesis to turn it into deuterium-depleted water.
"And what does it do? The amount of water created from carbohydrates on a molar basis, let's get this straight. […] What connects the reality level through thermodynamics to quantum? There's only one thing. Avogadro's number. OK? Avogadro's number tells you how many atoms are in one mole of something. […]
"When you eat carbohydrates, equivalent molar issues will create 55% water in mitochondria. Proteins, around 70–75%. Fats, 100%. What does that tell you? Eating saturated fats from animal products creates more water in a mitochondria that is deuterium-depleted than eating carbohydrates.
"Why does that make fundamental sense? Because the hydrology cycle on earth is totally tied to this. Deuterium is at its highest level at the equator. It's at its lowest level where you live, up in the poles. It makes total sense why that would happen. When you have less light at the poles you need less mass to run the thermodynamics. That's the reason why past the boreal forest nothing uses photosynthesis. Nothing. The 59th and the 60th latitude is where photosynthesis gets extinguished.
"There's a lesson there for light people. There's a lesson there for deuterium people. There's a lesson there for physicists."
Dr Jack Kruse with Dr Sara Pugh published 2023-05-11 @ 01:42:50–01:45:50 https://youtu.be/cy8cByk8H00&t=6170