that was pretty much my point - it's hard to attribute the increased deaths after covid to the vaccine because there were other government measures that probably also contributed to increased deaths and disability.

So, since we're not going to speculate on those other contributing factors, let's go back to your original statement about how many deaths are *actually* attributed to the shots:

How were those attributions made?

So -"Why do you believe that no one has died from a measles vaccine"

is a trick question?

Why is that question so difficult? you clearly believe it to be true, so you must know why you believe it.

This is so interesting.

I've asked you a very simple question, and in return you're giving me all sorts of advice and saying some not very nice things.

Is it because you can't answer the question?

I'm not complaining about the precision of the language. In fact, I think it's useful that you were so precise.

We don't know how many people died or were disabled by covid vaccines. We only know how many deaths "were attributed" to them.

That's a passive use of a verb, so the important question if we want to make a true cost/benefit analysis is to understand who did the attributing and how that attributing was done (or not done, as the case may be).

One way around this is to look at expected death curves before and after the vaccine. The problem is that there are so many confounding variables (covid itself, the terrible covid hospitals protocols, lockdowns, etc).

We really don't know how many people died or were disabled by the shots.

Oh! no - I've never heard of that. Will look it up - thank you!

I will say this in defense of folks who are strongly pro-vaccine: it's very hard to come to terms with the fact that this new life, which is the most precious thing we can imagine, is vulnerable.

I can fully understand taking any steps that would prevent something awful from happening, and if I had good reason to think that most of the (70 something) shots on the schedule were 1) safe and 2) effective, I would be advocating for them as well.

When we're healthy, in particular when the mother is happy and at ease, well nourished, gets lots of sun, etc - it's much less likely that disease will take hold. That's where I would put my energy.

"attributed" is doing some heavy lifting there

It's a simple question: why do you believe that no one has died from a measles vaccine?

Not my favorite health guy, but I remember that the bulletproof coffee guy had a recipe for ice cream that he said was good for fertility. Called it "Get some" ice cream. Very very high fat.

I think for women in particular, high fat is pretty important in fertility.

Lamb especially is very high in fat 😋

I'm very glad that I delayed and spread out the vaccines for my kids and wish I had skipped some altogether.

I would watch the Suzanne Humphries interview if you haven't already.

"Fuck off" is surprisingly unhelpful when it comes to actual scientific debate.

If you have anecdotes about people dying of something that you think would have been prevented by a vaccine, it's probably useful to add to the conversation.

I'm sorry about your FIL ☹️

"Vaccines are one of the safest medical treatment" is a common assumption.

It's an assumption based on the idea that

-the studies are well-designed

-negative effects are reported

-negative effects that *are* reported change the marketing trajectory

None of these things are true. I'm not sure we'll ever know how safe different vaccines are.

(And that's leaving aside the absurdity of grouping all things that companies label "vaccine" into one category and defending that entire category regardless of adjuvants used, length of specific safety trial, etc.)

Yes! Yum. I can pretty much live on meals like this, but would need extra fat (butter, suet, bacon...).

I love this

haha! there are a few of us on here. Thank you 🙏

The more I appreciate the men in my life the more grateful I am to be a woman. Love the synergy.

Yes! but just started with some thornless varieties last year. Hoping for berries this year. We have a ton of wild ones - have the scars to prove it!

haha! GM, QW

Is that Deborah Birx in the middle looking amused?

"Zey are shocked hahahaha"

Can they not hear themselves

Someone just dumped pigs on your property?