Thanks for the recommendation! This one's been on my list for a while.

I'm pretty sure that the timing of of wellness checks is based on the vaccine schedule (not on what the child would otherwise need).

That's why there are more and more of those check up appointments as shots are added to the schedule. When I was a child, we saw the pediatrician maybe once/year, and before that it was probably even less frequent.

In any case, it's a tricky balance! Best wishes as you navigate it.

Good morning, Maria!

I think that money is spent for value. We would like to think that the value is good health outcomes, but the job of a corporation is to make sure that value is profit.

This doesn't mean that vaccine drs and researchers are working only for the money. Personally I would tend to trust their motives, but I don't trust that the motives of their CEOs or of the corporations as a whole align with mine.

I'm sorry - I'm not sure I understand your question about studies being falsified. That the funding doesn't affect the outcome? There are lots of ways to adjust or design studies based on the outcomes one wants. I saw one recently about SSRIs: the researchers did a first phase of a study in which some participants had very negative reactions. The second phase simply excluded those participants (on grounds that they justified somehow - I don't remember the details - they may have called the first phase a pre-trial?). The result was fewer side effects being reported.

I'm not claiming that it's necessarily safer to skip every vaccine for every child. I just think that given the powerful financial incentives behind them, parents should look into each shot very carefully before agreeing to it.

I was about to say that maybe there's more pharma funding of doctors in the US than Europe, but based on nostr:nprofile1qyfhwumn8ghj7ctvvahjuat50phjummwv5q35amnwvaz7tmrv968xarjwgh8xampwfkhxarj9e3k7mgqyrcmjyd0r3a9vpe78wpm5l42dq2xwpqwp7aa6fj5gk4gpejuyaxzy06fp23 's note, maybe not!

One of the biggest children's hospitals in the US - also a huge teaching school - is part of the University of Pennsylvania. Penn has made tens of millions of dollars on royalties from the covid vaccine alone. The hospital itself has multi-million dollar contracts with Pfizer, with Bayer, with a company called Resilience (biomanufacturing), with Spark Therapeutics .

Penn has collaborative contracts with Novartis, Pfizer and RVAC and BioNTech.

In many pediatric practices, insurance providers offer bonuses to doctors for vaccine target rates among the children.

And as Lebanese Hodl pointed out - and I've heard from friends who are doctors - there's a whole lot of wining and dining of doctors by pharma reps. One of my friends told me about the conferences and then added "I could go out to a fancy steak dinner every single night."

Sadly, most medicine as it is currently practiced is so intertwined with pharma that it's hard to imagine that doctors can make independent judgement and decisions.

Interesting. Sheep are on our list to try soon, and we definitely want hair sheep. Will you keep posting about it on here?

I know that there are some great pediatricians out there, and many have started questioning the vaccine schedule - but most pediatricians (whose training is molded and funded by pharma) may not in fact be the best judge of what to inject into children.

(Personally I wouldn't recommend outsourcing one's thinking, whether to an institution or to an influencer.)

The IDSA is sponsored by pharmaceutical companies directly (below is just for one year) and indirectly because most medical boards and schools are deeply intertwined with pharma.

So I don't find them a reliable source for your claim.

I personally don't claim that the MMR vaccine is unsafe, and I've certinaly never claimed that it causes autism.

I just have no reason to think that it IS safe.

INDUSTRY SUPPORT:

The following is a list of grants over $5000 that IDSA received in 2020:

Pfizer, Inc General Support (IDWeek 2020) $25,000

Gilead Sciences General Support (IDWeek 2020) $130,000

Biofire Diagnostics, LLC General Support (IDWeek 2020) $50,000

Merck General Support (IDWeek 2020) $50,000

ViiV Healthcare General Support (IDWeek 2020) $71,500

Novartis Pharmaceuticals Group General Support (IDWeek 2020) $10,000

AstraZeneca General Support (IDWeek 2020) $100,000

Insmed General Support (IDWeek 2020) $30,000

Compass, Inc. General Support (IDWeek 2020) $18,000

Siemens Medical Solutions USA, Inc. General Support (IDWeek 2020) $5,000

Cephid General Support (IDWeek 2020) $10,000

Spero Therapeutics General Support (IDWeek 2020) $10,000

In addition, the Society received fees from industry to exhibit at IDWeek 2020 and from

commercial education companies for industry sponsored symposia, exhibitor presentation theaters

and exhibitor learning lounges held in conjunction with IDWeek 2020.

Ha! yes, you may be right.

I know how wrenching it is to give up a dearly-held belief and am very aware of how much bs I glibly went along with before Covid. Probably still do in areas that I can't see, so I am sympathetic to those who seem like they're in a cult.

Hep B seems like a no-brainer to me.

I delayed enough that they got no shots when they were small babies. My other guideline was that they never get more than one shot at a time because however weak the safety testing already is, the vaccines are definitely not tested together and it seemed clear to me that each one is a stress on those little bodies. I had a fair amount of resistance in my family, and in retrospect I wish I had held my ground more.

But the kids are good :)

You can read the vaccine inserts themselves. There's a lot in there that I think most pediatricians haven't read.

These seem to be the themes of researchers who buck the pharma narrative: the diseases were already on a sharp downward trajectory before the introduction of each vaccine; many of the illnesses have been rebranded (so we still have something that we would call polio but now it is diagnosed differently); the safety testing is poor, with studies designed very badly; some of the adjuvants are neurotoxins; and there are very few childhood vaccines that have had a true placebo control.

Personally I think the autism issue is a bit of a red herring. I doubt that a particular shot "causes" autism; more that each one is a systemic stress that each child will handle differently. When it's more than the body can deal with, you'll see a range of symptoms depending on the physiology of that particular child.

I have heard impassioned and well-meaning advocates make a decent general case for vaccinations, though I haven't yet heard them rebut some of the themes above. Their main argument is that the diseases are frightening (true), with the assumption that vaccinating against them protects kids (which may not be true).

That's more than you asked for! I hope it's useful to you.

And congratulations!! Babies are the best 🥰

Wow 😳

Wishing ill on someone's children is not really a good look.

I'm sure there are some pro-vaxxers on Nostr that have thought through their position and are capable of a decent exchange on the subject, but I haven't seen them here today.

Yikes. Yeah, there's a tendency to nastiness as well.

There are some vaccine threads today, and the pro-vax posts are a study in logical fallacies.

Using straw men, ad hominem attacks or - the top choice on this subject - appeals to authority is not the same as making a point.

false dichotomy: the simple life precludes being awake at the wheel

Nice! Love to see the Nostr mention

It's that when you look closely, "proper scientific research" turns out to be not very proper, not very scientific, and extremely lucrative.

Most vaccines are there for that reason. That doesn't necessarily make them ineffective or harmful, but it does mean that we should eye their marketing with a skeptical eye.

sorry for so many responses! they didn't seem to be posting

ok, so me asking why you think that no one has died from the measles vaccine showcases my lack of understanding?

That just doesn't make any sense.

[totally off topic but I gather your first language is German and I'm so impressed with how you're arguing in English!]

Extrapolating the answer to my question from your second paragraph: maybe you believe that no one has died from the measles vaccine because the universities said so? (or: if someone had ever died from a measles vaccine, the university researchers would have found that out and announced it?)

One of the most common logical fallacies is "appeal to authority." In all of your responses - and thank you for taking the time - that appeal to authority seems to be the primary basis for your claims.

[totally off topic but I gather your first language is German and I'm so impressed with how you're arguing in English!]

Extrapolating the answer to my question from your second paragraph: maybe you believe that no one has died from the measles vaccine because the universities said so? (or: if someone had ever died from a measles vaccine, the university researchers would have found that out and announced it?)

[totally off topic but I gather your first language is German and I'm so impressed with how you're arguing in English!]