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Martin
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I don't see notable battery drainage from Primal on iOS... I think Twitter actually drains it more when used equal amount of time.

Are you following the discussion of relays getting too big and too costly and thus shutting down?

It seems inevitable to me that relays will eventually only keep 30 days of events per user (even that would be 12TB per day if Nostr had Twitter scale, so even that is not feasible for anyone but industrial relay operators).

So it would seem that Nostr is not suitable for apps where events should be stored reliably for a long time.

Why would that feel like "an effort".

Just do it :)

Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

Honestly some of the most actionable and useful advice I've gotten online over the past year is nostr:npub1dvufvl73s0xdz8d75dgcyjvl0wrmczczvr0ef88g5x8uehmr4fus0j0pwx saying to go in the sun and walk more, and categorizing all the science behind it.

I don't really remember most of what came across my way on Twitter over the year, mostly a bunch of macro bullshit, but now in the morning I immediately go and get some sun if it's out.

To everyone who scrolls these comments and wants to go down this rabbit hole as well, this is what Lyn is referring to:

https://www.swanbitcoin.com/opinion/the-sunshine-manifesto/

My daughter falls asleep every night at 8pm so from 8pm to midnight, I am working my way through 315++ Great Books Of Western Civilisation... this was on my bucket list for ages. Best time of my life. Diving into centuries old wisdom while my little monkey is snoozing next to me in the bed πŸ˜‚

Only ~310 books to go... should take me about 4-6 years πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«

Very interesting debate.

Thinking about this: We will never build something the scale of Twitter with the relay structure that we have right now. Twitter generates 12 Terabytes of data per day. There is no way that relay operators will store all of this for all of time for free. This is natural. A decentralised system will always be more expensive and wasteful than a centralised system.

I am actually PAYING MONEY for a SaaS that deletes my tweets after a week (although I have no doubt that the NSA stores it all for eternity anyways).

It seems, we need to rethink what "social media" is supposed to do: It is supposed to be a network to spread information quickly around the globe. Something like a digital neural network.

It is maybe NOT supposed to be long term memory as well. Maybe if we want to create a lasting legacy of content, we need to find other systems. A self hosted personal blog would be the obvious way - if we can circumvent the need for the centralized and censorable DNS system (Tor etc), that would be good enough for censorship resistant long form content.

So I think, if Nostr relays by default only store events of the last 30 days, that would be good enough - AND EVEN THAT would still be infeasible for all but the largest and well funded relays if we would reach Twitter scale.

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How many clients do we have at the moment and how many of them are open source web clients? As soon as we have just one, you can't be cancelled any more, right?

How do you do that as a client developer? You would have to make a new release with a hardcoded blacklist? Your client already makes requests to some central server of yours to retrieve the blacklist?

Best to stay away from social media then, except for a fixed hour or so in the evening.

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