Yeah notedeck was built like this from the ground up, and damus ios is in the process of switching to it.
p2p is still hard. I’m looking into local sync using negentropy ( nostr:nevent1qqst670lhr7lmttdl0nta8l2s6d37yk4vrhulnddtyftcak3vgyt07cpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszxrhwden5te0wajkccm0d4jjumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2qg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv4duvv6 ) but relays aint going away
nostr:npub1g53mukxnjkcmr94fhryzkqutdz2ukq4ks0gvy5af25rgmwsl4ngq43drvk has been looking into webrtc p2p stuff. Still early days
Either Nostr evolves to have every client being a relay, or it will fail. The risk is the same as that of LSPs. Damus itself should definitely not be running a relay.
I wasn’t comparing it 1:1 in terms of encryption. I was just highlighting each has its own critical flaw.
There are no incentives to run a relay other than wanting to be helpful.
You’d store it yourself if every client is also a relay. You could mirror content for others too.
Anyone can does not mean anyone does.
Need to make every client a relay first. Relays are a risk to the protocol.
Relays make Nostr centralized.
It did not. So they have data and control the state wants, but did not share.
No need to apologize. It sparked an interesting discussion. I just see it happening sooner due to an array of macroeconomic factors.
Use the core peer-to-peer components from Keet / Holepunch.
That’s another problem that should be discussed at length too. There is no economic incentive to run a relay, but a lot of risk. My main point is about relays getting shutdown. It needs to all be peer-to-peer.
Isn’t this where https://pears.com wins? Why can’t it be incorporated into NOSTR to reduce dependency on relays? Everyone becomes a relay.
It totally should be. But I think Nostr devs don’t see the issue.
But yeah keep having more conferences and ignore this problem. 🤓
#FreePavel
But…
It is foolish how he thought Telegram could indefinitely operate a network without default E2E encryption and not play ball with regimes.
I see the same sort of presumption from Nostr devs/proponents ignoring the core architectural problem of needing relays.
Probably an unpopular opinion but it has to be said. Relays will be the death of Nostr but it’s not too late to fix it. The protocol is still in its infancy.
Hardly.
Any price under $0.1M is still #Bitcoin on sale.