I don't have "pedophilic tendencies." I'm a pedophile. There's a difference. I have free will. Every action I have ever taken has been my own. Everything I will ever do will be because I willed it.

You dodged my question earlier when I asked whether the school's protocol is sustainable, and now you dodge a question again, this time about exactly what would have happened if the parents didn't give so much leway to their kid and the school.

You said that the school's actions aren't punishing parents for giving their kid too much freedom, and now you say that kids aren't a toy you can have dibs on. If you really believe these things then are my questions not relevant to this discussion? If a school's actions aren't punishing parents for giving their kid too much freedom then what would happen if they stopped sending their kid to this school? If you really believe children aren't objects then what would happen if a parent really did try to call dibs?

Have you even considered the child's own autonomy when hearing these questions? Do you think the kid even has free will? Do you believe that the parents have free will? Yes, yes, I hear you, the parents aren't victims. But are the parents so incapable of critical thought that the school never has to worry about the parents withdrawing their kid? Are you unable to think of alternatives, or do you genuinely believe that my questions aren't worth answering?

Isn't it? The parebnts from this case wanted to control the pronouns that were used to refer to their kids. They chose to let their kid go to this school. Would the parents have gotten what they wanted if they HADN'T made that choice? If they hadn't given their kid enough leway to have a life outside of their knowledge?

Also, trolling somebody by copying them is no good unless you can add a good twist. I'm not a big fan of no-you's.

Er, I mean, wow you really got me good with that one!

No I'm not. I'm arguing for schools to obey the parents' requested pronouns for their kids, or for schools to expell kids to avoid having to engage with abuse outside their control, or for schools to warn children not to request pronouns they don't want shared with their parents (and then don't mention to the parents if a kid was planning on making that kind of request and changed their mind.)

Or I'm advocating for kids to find their own way to escape abusive parents for good and without having to punish their parents for giving them too much trust and freedom.

Woah, pro-abuse? Please read my responses carefully, can you find somewhere I actually said I was pro-abuse? My actual intent was to say that the victim should be the primary individual responsible for fighting their own abuse and for giving others the opportunity to fight their abuse. If the victim is unwilling to seize independence themselves, (which happens far too often) then any attempt to fix their life for them is stupid.

I'm glad to hear that you find the random pedo accusations irritating too, though it didn't slip past me that you were making pedo accusations yourself. Also, why do you say that I'm transphobic? I've been specifically trying to avoid saying anything transphobic so far.

If I was in your shoes I would be more forgiving of people looking for a link between the two. Anecdotally, I am Nostr friends with a nonbinary pedophile and I'm following a transgender "MAP ally". I also hear there's a lot of statistics correlating mental illnesses like pedophilia with mental illnesses like homosexuality and gender dysphoria.

It's cool to hear that you are interested in extreme privacy stuff. While browsing .onion sites myself I never saw any therapy ads besides the obligatory "stop it, get some help" messages sending you to some useless clearnet website. I did come across a darknet "confessional" site though. You could see all the previous confessions and all the responses to them. "Oops! I went and watched child porn again! Father, you have to help me! What should I do?" "Uh, that's really bad. God says for you to stop watching child porn. And after that, make sure to pray for guidance and you will have God's forgiveness..." To me, the whole situation seemed really pathetic. Neither party seemed to have any real insight into the sin itself. But that's just what I got out of it anyway.

Due to the technical limitations of Tor, I strongly suspect that any therapy offered would be limited to text chat, and I also suspect that the "therapist" would be like, one guy who may or may not have a degree. If that's the extent of what counts as therapy then I might as well just talk with a therapist over email, or enter the DMs of some random therapist on Nostr and pay them in zaps.

I don't think your characterization of me as being "unable to seek the treatment that I need" makes a lot of sense. It's not as if I'm some amoral creature lacking any sort of autonomy. I am perfectly capable of seeking treatment, I am just intentionally choosing not to in order to avoid a little bit of risk. Additionally, I don't know what exactly this "treatment" is supposed to do. Therapy is literally just talking with someone. It's not as if words between two people is going to suddenly make every child on Earth unattractive. The biggest reason I take the possibility of therapy seriously is because I just really like talking with people in general.

Thanks for the Youtuber recommendation. Personally, I watch a lot of stuff from MentalOutlaw. He's a funny guy and he has a lot of interesting videos about info-sec and software security in general. The only thing that puts me off about him is that he is fairly open about his support of piracy, and I believe thay piracy is wrong. I believe that if someone enjoys a piece of media, then they should be willing to pay or support the publisher the way the publisher expects them to.

I would LOVE to see this on nostr!

Dibs! THAT'S the term I was trying to remember.

I don't know, ARE we trying to have a conversation about that? Would you consider it abuse if you believed someone was calling a kid by the wrong pronouns? Would you consider an action to be abuse if you believed the action was feeding into a person's mental illness?

From what I've read this case is not about whether schools should be required to proactively out children for requesting a particular pronoun. The school in question had a policy asking teachers to use particular pronouns, and unlike previous cases, specifically forbid informing parents. From what I understand, the parents were not disputing any particular decision by the teachers, but rather the protocol itself.

In other words, your scenario isn't analagous because there is no third party nothing requiring me to interact with the wife at all, let alone requiring me to do it behind the husband's back. Because if the husband was sending his wife over to me in the same way a parent sends their kid to school, I absolutely would NOT humor the wife.

I would call bullshit; "planning to leave" my ass! I'd accuse her of needing to be with him because of how much she enjoys the excitement or for some other reason I'd make up on the spot. I wouldn't do jack shit unless she could prove herself able and willing to act without his assistance. Maybe I'd help if she "ran away from home" in the middle of the night or otherwise independently seeked me out, but if she can't even meet me without her husband's help then I'd tell her to shut up and I'd tell her not to expect me to be complicit in her stupid schemes. I don't give a shit if he beats her; I just don't want the interaction to become a fight over how she should be treated as if she is just some kind of precious object. If she won't demonstrate any more independence than an object her husband has dibs on then that's exactly how I'll treat her.

I would feel very similar about Baird Middle School from the First District case if the school didn't have the policy telling teachers to use their students' requested pronouns. If the only reason I'm interacting with these students is because their parents sent them to me then there's no way I'd humor a request to go against their parents' wishes. I'd tell them to shut up and get back to their schoolwork. If they found me somehow outside of school without their parents' help then I'd call refer to them by whatever damn pronouns I felt like, but I am completely uninterested in trying to take advantage of the parents' trust in order to interact with their kid against their wishes, or in taking advantage of their kid's trust in order to snitch on the kid to the kid's parents.

By the way, my bullshit is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the bullshit between that other idiot and you. I think some people get pent up from not being able to talk with an actual pedophile, and so they just accuse random people of being pedophiles in order to get off. My bullshit on the other hand, is actually being a pedophile. It's irritating seeing people fling shit at eachother when I'm RIGHT HERE!

I would definitely seek mental health treatment as you suggest if I trusted a therapist not to instantly turn around and try to ruin my life. In the USA, therapists have a myriad of legal exceptions to patient confidentiality, and even if they didn't, people have a history of ignoring the law in order to fuck with pedophiles. I've talked with a UK pedophile (we probably met on Epstein island or something, idk) who never touched a kid and tried to talk with a therapist about his pedophilia. Soon after his electronics were seized and he was arrested for having 500 terabytes of photos and videos documenting the abuse of numerous fictional children and for having like, one shock image of a goat or something. (They wanted to add an "extreme pornography" charge too.)

I would love to pay a therapist Monero in order to stream therapy sessions with them over Tor, but I'm not bending over backwards just to throw away my current life. Also, I am actually skeptical as to whether puberty blockers actually keep children fuckable. Really I was just telling a joke in order to emphasize that what bears the most moral relevance in these cases is who is acting responsible for a kid's own life, not what the responsible party does afterward.

The link should take you to the corn chat room.

The room is open but the stream won't take place until this evening. You are welcome to hang out in there, maybe you'll meet someone else who happens to click the link.

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Yeah but no TRUE definition of a fallacy would disagree with you, am I right?

Yes, I am willing to set a good example; I will gladly admit that there are some pretty shitty parents out there. Both parties are equally capable of being shitty, so we can't possibly come to a judgement by assuming that one party has the kid's best interest at heart.

You know, there's something I've wondered about recently. Imagine if the safety of a child is at stake. Like, what if a parent beats their kid every time someone calls the kid by unapproved pronouns? Do you think it would be wise to intentionally push that kind of risk onto the kid by using those pronouns? To act in such a passive aggressive, indirect way? In other words, do you see secrecy as a sustainable long term solution?

Personally, I see it as finders keepers. The parents found the kid first, and so if we have to choose between a teacher abusing the child or a parent abusing the child, I think it makes more sense for the abuse to come from the parent. Otherwise the teacher is punishing the very trust they are relying on every time the parent drops their kid off. Even IF the teacher managed to make a positive difference, all the credit would belong to the parent for simply not being skilled enough at being bad! The teacher wouldn't even be able to take responsibility!

If the kid wants to take hormone blockers in order to stay cute and fuckable forever (based 👍) then I believe that it should be on the kid to take more responsibility for themselves. The kid should prove their parents could never have stopped them, even if the parents never let their kid go to that school. I think that's the only honest way of judging this kind of scenario.

If I needed to rely on the pathetic crutch of calling out fallacies then I would point out that your argument is the no true Scottsman fallacy.

But instead of playing stupid games, why don't you just admit that some teachers are horrible nutcases? Sometimes parents need to be involved in order to ensure their teachers are doing a good job.