So…
NIP-27 style URLs work across multiple clients to cross-link posts and comments from various threads. But I don’t see nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 or nostr:npub1cyvdrwq55epxvucwwhmvz8zll2tdq6qml6jef4tykslnp9up8pzqp3ljam clients (that I use) implementing links to “share this post” in this manner.
Why is that?
If it’s only UX issues… they should be addressed.
UX benefits would include :
- open links in the SAME client
- open links (to other kinds) in user specified APPROPRIATE client.
- become aware of “back links” to any given post, the moment it is rendered.
- AND overall improvement toward “social productivity”, which is my term for one’s ability to extract and build upon useful information found in random social media threads.
nostr:note1q8utaa24dgs5lthnx2utx4ckz2wcmm79jcz5tjc292tp69f8r8eqgzj4yv
ICYMI
By “comments bellow” I simply mean another branch of this thread, in which I address your points above.
(See if this works to make a link … here’s me PASTING a note ID and prefacing it with “nostr:” ala NIP-27 specs)
nostr:note1zjtzt45jp37n7df336ggktt8kzulxe4s6pegd946rtvrgvyaevrs98rcll
Finding my own path. At best.
nostr:note1vwg3x7q3qyldhcujl4ljm8ym9ey4hhfwhaff9sesn37ydchxvd7s8dethf
This is mine
We may need a campaign.
👋🏼 make 👋🏼 nips 👋🏼 great 👋🏼 again 👋🏼 nostr:note1seckzhrntq3zlmpfqcl8atwu7ptjq4k4zs74a9lpd6mm3w046alqa96urt
NIP Bloat.
- Implementation possibilities are specd with less and less consideration for each other.
- many overlap in functionality but none are removed or deprecated for “backwards compatibility”.
- Some old school devs pull weight and don’t wanna change.
- some younger devs have no patience for discussion and “patient” integration of “good” ideas.
- devs are burnt out with the “bureaucracy” of maintaining a swamp of standards.
- nips are treated as standalone “islands” serving single use cases.
- inconsistency and inoperability creep across clients and relays, as gate keepers “give up”.
- Users become disillusioned with “the dream” of decentralized cooperation, as nostr dies a slow death due to dwindling adoption.
This
👋🏼 use 👋🏼 the 👋🏼 nips 👋🏼 nostr:note1qqqqg5yx2v433wfrfyc6xr0zjtpt72cppral8fd4j5pktned77vsdgl00l
This
👋🏼 build 👋🏼 for 👋🏼 real 👋🏼 people 👋🏼 nostr:note1qyg4n7wkq4drqfef5dta4g62tqhy46v7vqvmf6hulqvh6ggf4g8s6466jj
This
The last one 👇🏼
👋🏼 nostriches 👋🏼 need 👋🏼 privacy 👋🏼 nostr:note1pttgjm8y4nmmun3jka5renn723000t82vls7k7x7j8ur34eh04hqtlgngw
This.
👋🏼 make 👋🏼 nips 👋🏼 great 👋🏼 again 👋🏼 nostr:note1s0myv6dwwwnjzkfdv4fseq93hydn430k05qjema8knu8vnal40nsswn2km
#xitter! nostr:note1rqa528e9859undzfwddfrsvdzcw3hxl864ezf86aurnzvs5kvadsk0dm7n
This.
👋🏼 talk 👋🏼 with 👋🏼 users 👋🏼 nostr:note12dpz503q7tevjzzrmphetft2z04wahfd9z0pl2c8h7hkrwk0rnkqkxavfa
This is the hope of vote.gold.
I believe there’s a value add in building an “archipelago” of private relays “glued together” by a shared client, but I’m not yet clear in the revenue model…
- two tiers of basic membership, (verified and owner) available as a one time fee,
- and a “price per note” charged to owners for long term storage on the relays they operate,
- and … ?
nostr:note12v0c0x0yh863crxyayr3n9zn6yv38h64hj75a0edxx02rrs8grssaxvgwh
I wish I knew nostr:npub1lrnvvs6z78s9yjqxxr38uyqkmn34lsaxznnqgd877j4z2qej3j5s09qnw5
I lack my usual snark on this subject for the simple reason I think it’s super complex. I don’t see ad supported services as being that way out of malice. I believe some smart guys wanted to build something and get paid for their troubles, and found a way to do so.
It’s a cultural issue. We are used to things being free. People (in generality) aren’t going to pay for something that they can get elsewhere for free, unless they have some other more ideological reason - or as others have mentioned, the service is much better (premium). Among those services with premium offerings, it is a very small percentage of people who opt into this, and overwhelming majority stay free and are carried on the backs of the small premium base. It’s still a mutual benefit, since nobody would want premium if there weren’t tons of people to interact with.
That’s the societal issue with a v4v economy. The majority of users will not give value, since value is provided by others for “free,” and many things of value are also fairly invisible. I posit the average user will not give a damn about your average relay until it’s gone - because it’s invisible.
It’s also worth noting that almost every service that has a premium tier survived *years* of financial loss and riding on VC money to get to that threshold of user base where the 1% of premium users could turn a profit.
“I posit the average user will not give a damn about your average relay until it’s gone - because it’s invisible. “
shit.
This is gonna be a long hard game, but I hope to make vote.gold “just the right” amount of freemium, in “just the way” that people (and LP aligned orgs & investors) find value in paying for it.
nostr:note14e6s90ups0yny5q6pa5zsm2aws28r5u7rd0mrxqz4e5zmk54vplqls6s79
Thanks for posting.
nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn another use case for groups having their own npub:
They can offer badges … which would solve a major UX problem that i see with badges.
Why do badges die?
(IMHO) something to do with them having no “weight” … Badges offered by a single person (esp in a decentralized economy) will be less valuable than those offered by a larger group (or at least the mods that rep a group) of aligned individuals.
This might resurrect #badges. nostr:note1vr24lufzeghjw3cq95xg9l90r40e8wrry5cuf5vkdfu7hm6j9pequ6x8ff
The Fiatjaf
(I think is the preferred pronoun)
Thanks.
See my comments bellow.
I’m simply addressing the fact that nostr IS breaking the “traditional” and arbitrary bounds of what is “social media”, simply BY being the ever-growing decentralized protocol that it is. As this protocol grows, we should keep this in mind ad facilitate end users to pollinate content across threads, users, clients, relays, and event kinds. Keep these tools forefront, as the protocol develops.
Forgive my abstractions. Big picture is difficult to explain without examples (as you posted) but examples inevitably lead away from the big picture. That’s OK also, but (this will be my recurring theme, so watch out) I will always attempt to bring attention (back) to the bigger picture. Not to define, but to realign. That’s what is important to me, in a decentralized dev environment. So thanks for your patience.
Doesn’t this NIP already outline the solution, for cross linking existing posts?
Right. More author tools are great. But…
Tools for “self organizing” conversations and communities is where it’s at. This particular example I identified highlights this use case of ME trying to cross link multiple posts and finding it hard. (Because the links point out rather than stay within the client).
This is only one example and use case of our BIGFER challenge to build tools that allow content to be discovered and shared in a productive manner thats facilitates communities and conversations to self organize.
(Forgive my informal chicken scratch, as I wake up and frantically type ideas on my phone) M
One example…
The challenge of “linking” posts together to extend conversations, connecting ideas and people that may otherwise be missing each other.
This morning alone… we have a great example (linked here for reference alone, and NOT to extent a conversation… which is its own use case)
nostr:npub149p5act9a5qm9p47elp8w8h3wpwn2d7s2xecw2ygnrxqp4wgsklq9g722q posted a question.
https://damus.io/note1xnu7xcn7unhxx3apt8n97l883glkgrkzxser0hwp48dltspeywwqp3y7j5
nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z posted a “stand alone” reply without mentioning niel
https://damus.io/note17zrsu0thhpjvsfk45tzmjlegrcchncwftkt727d7dangc4uewepqkj7tpp
Meanwhile… niel is back on his timeline posting his own follow up.
https://damus.io/note15xvvscasa0egfj0hh72g4fg3neh553zwmsws06qm4r6lcfrt6f2q4e7yj0
This is a simple example of what I see every day! Broken snippets of conversation, that might or might not find each other. We’ve all seen this…
Maybe we “frame” it as OK “because it’s social media”. Maybe social is not responsible for being actually productive. But an open protocol like nostr has the opportunity to break this mold.
How do we make social more productive? First use case: how do we “cross link” posts, people and good ideas?
What I was JUST considering as you posted this reply (@karnage we are all psyc-linked) is the reality that (at lest two) clients I use have multiple means of sharing a post, but none have an (obvious “share @“) option to simply output a nostr: uri … for sharing posts WITHIN a client.
Why is this? … maybe because client rendering of nostr: URIs is inconsistent? I don’t know.
But as long as “share post” buttons output an http URI by default, then …
1: end users will be sent out of the client to continue reading… bad design
2: clients cannot verify when a post is “back-linked” to another. (Which would be bonus)
And as a result… cross linking of good ideas and people will be hampered.
One example…
The challenge of “linking” posts together to extend conversations, connecting ideas and people that may otherwise be missing each other.
This morning alone… we have a great example (linked here for reference alone, and NOT to extent a conversation… which is its own use case)
nostr:npub149p5act9a5qm9p47elp8w8h3wpwn2d7s2xecw2ygnrxqp4wgsklq9g722q posted a question.
https://damus.io/note1xnu7xcn7unhxx3apt8n97l883glkgrkzxser0hwp48dltspeywwqp3y7j5
nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z posted a “stand alone” reply without mentioning niel
https://damus.io/note17zrsu0thhpjvsfk45tzmjlegrcchncwftkt727d7dangc4uewepqkj7tpp
Meanwhile… niel is back on his timeline posting his own follow up.
https://damus.io/note15xvvscasa0egfj0hh72g4fg3neh553zwmsws06qm4r6lcfrt6f2q4e7yj0
This is a simple example of what I see every day! Broken snippets of conversation, that might or might not find each other. We’ve all seen this…
Maybe we “frame” it as OK “because it’s social media”. Maybe social is not responsible for being actually productive. But an open protocol like nostr has the opportunity to break this mold.
How do we make social more productive? First use case: how do we “cross link” posts, people and good ideas?
Who makes this?
All I my sleuthing led to
nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 nostr:npub12262qa4uhw7u8gdwlgmntqtv7aye8vdcmvszkqwgs0zchel6mz7s6cgrkj
My fav. Want more!!!
nostr:npub107jk7htfv243u0x5ynn43scq9wrxtaasmrwwa8lfu2ydwag6cx2quqncxg is there a way to like or bookmark an article on habla? Otherwise, all I can do is post to my timeline.
Well how did I not see this before I made a fool of myself suggesting proposals as a total #noob. Who needs “gift bags” when you can have a bunker managed nsec for each private group.
nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn I’m all in. [rolls sleeves up] When do we start?
https://habla.news/u/hodlbod@coracle.social/a-proposal-for-private-groups
Am I being dumb to prefer nostream over stirfry or nostr-rs-relay, simply because I know JavaScript and the learning curve would be less steep for ME alone to jump in and tweak configs or functionality?
(You and nostr:npub1qqqqqqyz0la2jjl752yv8h7wgs3v098mh9nztd4nr6gynaef6uqqt0n47m both recommend stirfry to me … is it THAT much easier to setup or maintain or what?)