Nostr Web Client

There are no random dick picks in new people's DMs. There is no need to find interesting people to follow before making things usable. You don't even need to think about what's interesting to you. There is no need to setup Zaps and there is no need for NIP-05. They are not even going to find political takes they don't like just to be angry about in the first 5 minutes of using the app.

Most of the time, new users don't have anything to say publicly. But there is always something to be said in private. That is how you get them going.

If DM clients really want to make things complicated, they should guide the user into choosing a DM relay, like inbox.nostr.wine. But the rest is just install and message your friend. It couldn't be simpler.

Sure, this only works because the other Nostr apps keep the social structure active. If you were to release a whole new protocol just for chats (outside of Nostr), you would face tremendous resistance. But here the Nostr network effects will work in your favor.

ManiMe 2y ago

Exactly.

Replying to Sun of the Moon

Follow all of Odell follows and you'll be in great shape. Odell is very high signal.

ManiMe 2y ago

Directing newcomers to THE SAME celebrity follows only centralizes and weakens the nostr “signal”.

We need onboarding tool(s) for advocates to invite their own friends and grow their own social networks.

Like this:

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Replying to

Fabian

In your screenshot the profile picture of Ranger looks very different though, could be a very old cached false positive from back when there were code errors if you have been using Nostur since back then, or the pixel checking still needs improvement.

ManiMe 2y ago

I clear caches regularly. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Replying to

Fabian

It adds the label if both the following is true:

- you are not following the contact

- it has a 80% similar name and profile picture as someone you already follow

For picture it checks pixels and for name it uses Jaro-Winkler from https://github.com/autozimu/StringMetric.swift I tried levenshtein before but it seemed a bit buggy. Both could probably be improved but I haven't had false positives for a while, there were a few a while back but that was actually related to code errors, not the algorithms.

ManiMe 2y ago

Thanks. Do you think “in code” wd be better than “in person” for verification of the same data points?

IMHO a crowdsourced solution (allowing people to “verify” each others names and pfp) allows erroneous claims (from a single person) to be ironed out by the claims from others. I imagine this wd be easier to implement and to maintain and produce better results than an algo (a black box for many) locked in code.

Your thoughts?

(ICYMI that screenshot above is a false positive.)

Replying to

Vitor Pamplona

Yes, you can join. But will you stay? Majority of the Nostr users play with it for a few days and then walk away. They have to find that peer to welcome them. Otherwise, it doesn't really work.

ManiMe 2y ago

Exactly I’m working on THIS onboarding app with built in DM to support advocates sharing nostr with friends:

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Replying to

ManiMe

Kindness is contagious. Thank you.

ManiMe 2y ago

#nostr has been refreshingly #welcome since my #firstpost

Happy Holidays #everyone

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Replying to

The Daniel ⚡️

The Internet has never had a true native social media protocol until now. Here we are.

ManiMe 2y ago

Timeless

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Replying to

Niel Liesmons

Group chats (private, payed or public) are the way!

Extermely low barrier to entry and makes almost any nostr app better.

Stemstr 👉 add chats for collabs (instead of comments)

Flockstr 👉 add chats around events or organising entities

Highlighter 👉 add chats for reading groups, around books, etc...

Nostrocket 👉 add chats for the Slack-like communication layer around problems

Games, streaming, marketplaces, ... they all benefit. #chatmaxi

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ManiMe 2y ago

nostrmeet.me 👉 onboard an entire team, club, family, ect… all at once, with a custom invite code linked to a private group chat.

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Replying to

Sirius

When Nostr gets reasonable DM privacy and groups, even normies can use it as one of their many messaging apps, no problem. Push notifications keep them returning. Great way to onboard people onto Nostr and Bitcoin.

ManiMe 2y ago

DM right in the onboarding client.

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Replying to

Sirius

When Nostr gets reasonable DM privacy and groups, even normies can use it as one of their many messaging apps, no problem. Push notifications keep them returning. Great way to onboard people onto Nostr and Bitcoin.

ManiMe 2y ago

This is the way. 👇🏼

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Replying to

Fiat Shenanigans 🤡🌎

It's after midnight. My old friend insomnia has returned.

I shall attempt to sleep now. GN #Nostr

ManiMe 2y ago

Just pretend. Works every time.

Replying to

proximus

Forget 2 week summit. Just get all the client devs on a conference call and make them talk about it.

ManiMe 2y ago

For an hour?

No… three hours. That should do it.

Replying to

M-Vil

It's getting better

ManiMe 2y ago

It is getting better.

#nostrux #grownostr

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Replying to

JeffG

A pre-event at the next Nostr conf?

ManiMe 2y ago

Nostr UX summit. Git r done!

Replying to

HoloKat

If someone is asking about relays, they are significantly further up the adoption ladder than most.

ManiMe 2y ago

You’re both right. 🙄

UX is a shambles across the board.

AND end user configuration of relays (instantiating, subscribing, and posting) WILL BE what differentiates nostr from AP (where you only get one server) and what brings the masses.

Replying to

I)ruid

It's a blight on Humanity, not just this industry. It's ineffective, inefficient, and creates LOTS of unnecessary risk.

ManiMe 2y ago

What is govt mandated oversight?

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ManiMe 2y ago

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Love the fact that you flag possible imposter account for users!! Seems prone to false positives tho. Wondering what variables you are checking on?

- is followed?

- similar PFP? (how do you assess?)

- similar name? (How similar?)

- what else is checked?

Because, we’re interested to implement a “code free” crowdsourced solution (set of guidelines and a NIP) for exactly this.

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https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Anostur-com%2Fnostur-ios-public+imposter&type=commits&ref=advsearch

Replying to

Bauzen

Unreal man… how am I supposed maintain my sanity after seeing people being beaten and murdered first thing after my coffee?

ManiMe 2y ago

Now you getting me riled up! It’s a contagion.