Profile: dfa94a58...

Just keep maintaining the car. Lasts forever. After all, there are hundreds of aircraft still flying after 50+ years. Just do the maintenance if you love the car.

Don't fret. Washington is like the bunker in the Reich Chancellory in March 1945. They are issuing decrees and moving around armies on the map that dont even exist. We are witnessing the final collapse. Bitcoin will be fine.

"Who gets Access" is not the same question as "what is sound money".

There is a cost to decentralised security. Its one of the iron cast tradeoffs. If you want relatively low cost then lower your security.

Sound money is existential. It is a concept expounded and defined by Aristotle and that concept remains valid today. There is only one definition of sound money just as there is only one defn of Pythagoras Theorum.

This is really important and perhaps not getting enough attention. The go-go devs and upgraders risk killing this project as the attack surface expands exponentially with each upgrade. Many may disagree, but nobody saw monkey jpegs coming out of taproot. The inherent tradeoffs don't seem to be fully appreciated. Decentralisation can't NEVER have the same max throughput as centralisation, it is impossible. Security is the tradeoff. We have to focus like a lazer on Sound Money. This is first , second and nth of what bitcoin must be. It will never be a point of sale commodity payment rail because then it won't be sound money. I am hearing people complaining that bitcoin is not everything they want it to be, it will never be everything, we have to pick what it is and stick to it. Stick to sound money , that is the killer app that hasn't existed for 3000 years and that is what is missing today and chiefly why the world is in such a mess.

Efficiency of computing and decentralization are tradeoffs. Decentralisation is not efficient , never will be, it is secure and resilient to resist central control. This is why bitcoin will never have the throughput of centralised computing, all the nodes globally, ideally, must see and verify each transaction and there are finite limits to achieving this. When people try and disolve these physical limitations we end up with a shitcoin. In 15 years 100s of thousands of shitcoins have tried and failed to recobcile this yet we still waste time moping about it. Centralise small payments , decentralise the base money and the big payments. Trade convenience for security, that the bottom line. Use both in its respective place.

"we just haven’t cracked building cryptocurrency payment rails without an (untrusted!) party being involved." And you probably never will. Because that is precisely what makes bitcoin such hard money. It's why everything else is shitcoins. The tradeoff always will be decentralization vs throughput. So, use the shitcoins for coffee money and use bitcoins for auditable (!) base money, as an unimpeachable mark-to-market for the entire financial system. We have to stop this nonsense of trying to be all things to all people, we have tradeoffs , they will never go away, recognise this and build around it. Stop the hand wringing already !

The yen carry trade , underwritten by the superhuman work ethic and productivity of the Japanese salaryman, has kept the west afloat for about 4 decades. That perpetual motion machines wheels are now falling off. The west's economies will sink without a trace.

Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

Both taxes and money-printing redistribute capital, but the difference is that money-printing does it less transparently.

With money-printing, the effect works behind the scenes in ways that are harder to quantify. That's why when a government can't find a solution between hard spending choices, they print money. It's the easier method.

People know their personal tax rate, they will riot if their taxes are too high, and they know exactly who is responsible for tax levels.

But inflation is a more complex beast. It comes with a lag, for starters, since it takes time for printed money to work its way through the system. And when it comes, propaganda built on grains of truth is effective at making it unclear to people who is responsible. "It's the greedy corporations that are responsible for raising prices, not the fact that we increased the money supply 40% over the past two years!"

And so money-printing effects people not directly based on their income, their need, or other things, but based on their level of awareness of what's happening. It rewards people who are aware of it, and are borrowing the devalued currency, owning scarcer assets, and denominating contracts in harder currency. It harms people who are not aware of it, who are earning wages in and keeping their savings in cash or bonds. Many of them are led to believe that CPI is the target to beat, which is a false low target. The real target is the money supply growth rate.

And capital gains taxes, if the cost basis is unadjusted for the rate of money supply growth, further recoup some of that value from the various harder assets that aware people try to protect themselves with.

A lot of MMT advocates act as though they found some grand formula. But really what they have re-identified is nothing new: it's that the less transparent that government spending is, the bigger it can be before people will complain. People will complain about taxes right away, but currency debasement is the sneakier method for which the consequences come with a lag. So it sidesteps hard decisions this year, and leads to bigger issues a year or two from now, when someone else can be blamed and the whole ordeal can be obfuscated.

And it's not new, despite how some MMT advocates would spin it. Currency debasement has been occurring since the adoption of coinage. And even MMT-scale currency debasement has been occurring since World War I. It is turned to so frequently because its lack of transparency allows it to occur at times and magnitudes when more transparent taxes would not.

The real problem, even for the well meaning MMT advocates(Chartelists), is that they can actually finess the inflation and tax levers to accurately control the monetary system and the allocation of resources. The Austrian School's foundation argument is that it is impossible to accurately do economic calculation because each actor in the economy has a personal goal that cannot be aggregated accurately. From that , ALL aggregated economic management is ultimately nonsense.

So, if monero is so good then it can be used as a privacy sidechain to btc, as can perhaps LN. Because , as it stands, xmrbtc is getting hammered. I don't think monero will ever have the first mover network effect, mining power and number of nodes. Also, I don't like tail emissions. Inflation is a distortion of price throughout the economy, leading to malinvestments and economic malaise. No thanks.

We need a publicly auditable blockchain. How much gold is in ft Knox ? The public is not allowed to know, the public is not allowed to audit it. For 3000 years we could never audit publicly the base money supply and the movements of the base money. This is the root of our big problems. The govt going beserk with a cartel of money producers because nobody really knows what they are up to.. We have public auditability of money now, for the first time in 3000 years, and this is the big bitcoin breakthrough. We also need personal anonymity and we have that but that's largely up to the individual. The protocol is fine.

Replying to Avatar waxwing

FWIW there have been a number of thoughts over the years in this general area. I came up with SNICKER in 2017, there's a draft BIP on my gist (AdamISZ), not sure why it was never assigned a number. I actually even implemented it in Joinmarket and the code is still there. SNICKER was the simplest way you could do a coinjoin non-interactively (post encrypted proposals, encrypted to an onchain address pubkey; works better with taproot but can work anyway), this way proposer puts the encrypted blob on a bulletin board half-signed and the receiver can decrypt and broadcast it if they choose. Realistically only 2 party so a very limited model but imho still interesting.

Earlier than that people had ideas around SIGHASH_SINGLE|ACP ... but then always gave up on that because of the index/positioning limitations of *SINGLE.

Somewhat later in 2018 a group of us in London brainstormed around ideas like "stuff floats in the mempool and gets coordinated, perhaps with miner involvement" but it hasn't got anywhere yet. In that same meeting we came up with payjoin (well that was my name; others called in P2endpoint, which is a slightly different idea), not actually novel but just tried to pin down more exactly how it could work. that is also in Joinmarket btw, as well as btcpayserver. Nowadays Dan Gould has worked on a different aspect/version of that idea, which is great. But I still like SNICKER's pure non-interactivity.

When it comes to your thoughts around covenants, I agree. I tried to make case in the last Adopting Bitcoin that we need to understand that that extra bit of power in scripting is going to be needed to make actual steps forward in scalability and privacy, in other words it's not because we want evm style smart contracting, it's because we want bitcoin to actually work as money, and that means it needs both scale and privacy, which will come from offchain contracting (though a little onchain contracting, coinjoin style, will imo always be needed too, for larger entities).

So yeah being able to constrain spending destinations as a way to reduce the coordination requirement of a coinjoin is quite a neat thought, i don't remember offhand if anyone has pursued that yet; it's probably not simple!

Lastly I'd say nothingmuch has been having some of the most interesting ideas about coinjoin coordination recently, but not sure if he's active here nowadays.

"it's not because we want evm style smart contracting, it's because we want bitcoin to actually work as money, and that means it needs both scale and privacy"

These are the only changes that are required. Make it work as sound money. The rest goes off-chain

Bitcoin is sound money. How do you price somebody out of sound money ? You can use money for any dumb purpose you want, all that happens is that you usually end up with no money.

Replying to Avatar Tony

"But devs want upgrade and innovate !" Now we have this unintended consequence because the attack surface got too big to manage.