Oh do you mean MW (mimblewimble) then? It was added to Litecoin as an "extension block" (like a sidechain) and they call it MWEB for MimbleWimble Extension Block

In Litecoin's case they implemented it with CT so it hides amounts but it can be done just as a "mixing" protocol

and on that last point, any analysis of the history that doesn't acknowledge that the market is rational and makes this assessment is literally both retarded and misanthropic

I not agree, even if monero chooses a way to add confidentiality keeping the supply easily auditable, it would still be a shitcoin.

The digital nature of bitcoin makes the money-convergence-forces even stronger than what has been with the gold shelling-point.

Bimetallic in digital realm has no much sense, and find a "second shelling point for supporting MoE use cases", like silver has been, has no sense at all.

The ingegneristic problem of makes bitcoin pieces of informations floating more rapidly is a second-layer challange, and is becoming better everyday. And we can expect better solutions for the future, not like monero or shitcoins reimplementing their blockchain where we can see them work just if noone uses it.

Also monero as shitcoin sucks and histradeoffs suck, but this is secondary to me.

1) agree, bitcoin is used mostly in fiat market and this is a shame.

2) bitcoin can be used for blackmarket easily. Monero could be part of a money laundering strategy for very expert people, but today with lightning it is become completely useless.

3) IDGAF about etf, thats not a point. ETF on monero is impossible as it wpuld be just a tend-to-zero function.

4) If you trust monero for preserving your financial privacy you are delusional. You should do the proof of work of understanding how bitcoin works and take some real privacy for you.

5) money have value if people hold it and want to hold it, this is just a basic and important concept. Still, I think you should own monero if you think its valuable, have fun.

so you think bitcoin is only worth more and more every cycle because it is first mover and poor little monero would otherwise not be pegged to the dollar as it practically is

no, that's because monero has no SoV capacity, because whatever you moranos say about it being auditable, it's still questionable whether there is not an open ended possibility of an inflation bug and people are only using it for the black market so its basically being used as an intermediary only, nobody is holding it, nobody

so, whatever you think about the "value proposition" of bitcoin is obviously missing more than just FMA to why bitcoin is staying ahead of inflation

it could be the fact that its auditabilty is unquestionable and complete maybe?

when a commodity wants to become a medium of exchange, its first use is always store of value

precious metals were this originally, just a way of holding a lot of value that didn't decay, so, it stores the value

then they made it easier to transact with by minting it, so the cost of trusting it was lower. this is actually the same thing as the auditability issue - it makes certainty about the quality of the asset cheap to assess, not like a fancy gold necklace that could just be gold plated steel, where proving it's worth something is expensive

without the ready, easy to determine, and certain evaluation of the value and provenance of the asset, it can't be a store of value and thus monero is fundamentally broken as a money from its initial premise

just get over it, after 13 years or however long it has been, monero has done nothing to become more widely adopted than bitcoin

bitcoin could and still is being used for black market

and it's also good for ETFs and lightning network use, even this ordinals shit couldn't be done on monero

monero is too narrow in its purpose and its real use case is very much limited to the "value proposition" you speak of

otherwise, explain why bitcoin has got so many other uses giving it additional value, and monero doesn't

because nobody trusts monero, monero can't be counted with absolute certainty, nobody is holding it so nobody wants to hold it

until you get that loop of holding - demand for holding you have got fidget spinners