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Lol it's not about Trump. I'm not even for him but it's about facts or at least suspicions to look into things.

As a republican I fought against Trump in the primaries, but held my nose and voted for him in the 2016 general. I was thereafter rather pleased with most of his policies. He spent too much, of course, and ignored the huge problem of entitlement reform. But, overall, his policies were very beneficial.

His performance during Covid was less than stellar. He (and we) would have been better off ditching Fauci and relying on the principles of individual responsibility and freedom. He tried to work against the lockdowns later; but the die had been cast and the democrats were just too focused on keeping everybody masked up and locked down.

Trump lost the election. His ranting and raving after that waas made clear was inexcusable. He single handedly lost the Senate by telling Georgians not to vote. That gave Biden a House and Senate majority with which to keep everyone locked down and spend like a drunken sailor -- driving our current inflation.

What election fraud there was, did not rise to the level of changing the outcome. Trump lost and Biden won. But that does not mean the election was fair.

Due to Covid the election rules were changed in many states, often in violation of those states' laws. Mail in voting and ballot drop boxes were among the issues. Trump, and the republicans, did not respond to this before the fact. This was just laziness, or perhaps overconfidence.

The real rigging of the election was accomplished by Mainstream and Social Media. The suppression of the Hunter Biden Laptop story was crucial. The general suppression of conservatives also played a big role. This was election tampering writ large; and it was largely ignored.

I am on Nostr today because of that.

From: JoySun<-cameri at 06/08/23 10:17:56 on wss://bitcoiner.social

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>Lol it's not about Trump. I'm not even for him but it's about facts or at least suspicions to look into things.

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JoySun 2y ago

Thank you for sharing your view.

jennifer dupont 🌸 2y ago

I agree with Unc in that Trump did some things right, specifically for human trafficking. ❌ #enditmovement

Crizzo 2y ago

This looks like a summary of right wing media talking points. Some of the criticism is valid, but other things like the HB laptop are pure manipulation. The story wasn't suppressed, it was all over the place on both sides. If you look at the stories it's all about how "forensic experts examined the emails and found..." and it's either something or nothing depending on which way the news outletb leans. They never give you the actual text if the email that could be the "smoking gun". They just tell you it's there and emphasize that nothing is being done about it to whip you into a rage.

And before you get offended the same thing happens constantly in left wing media, especially with regards to Trump's "crimes". Trump stole classified documents, Trump incited the Jan 6 insurrection, Trump committed election fraud by calling the Georgia governor and demanding he find more votes, etc. These things may or may not be true, but the fact that nothing ever happens about them besides the media constantly reporting on it shows it is being used to manipulate and polarize the population. Every week there a story about how the walls are closing in on Trump for his crimes and justice is just around the corner. These stories are the top posts every time on Reddit, which leans heavily left, and have been showing up for years. It's all manipulation to keep the left frothing at the mouth over how backwards their political opponents are and how they will ruin the country and establish a dictatorship if given enough power.

The fact is if we were allowed by the media to have a civil discourse about topics we could probably find a lot more common ground. Instead they trick us into demonizing the other side and falling into petty tribalism. They keep us fighting each other so we are blind to the real enemy if the people, which is the ultra wealthy elites that own everything and contribute nothing significant of value to society to justify their obscene wealth.

serenitys forge 2y ago

It's all one big clown show.

And we get charged to watch it....

Things are even worse on this side of the pond.. 😥

Derek Ross 2y ago

It's always a choice between the lesser of two horrible choices. I hate it.

unclebobmartin 2y ago

From: Crizzo<-DerekRoss at 06/08/23 11:35:55 on wss://nos.lol

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>This looks like a summary of right wing media talking points.

(sigh)

>Some of the criticism is valid, but other things like the HB laptop are pure manipulation. The story wasn't suppressed, it was all over the place on bot

I think #[8] might have something to say about that. But, of course, the story was suppressed. It was suppressed by social media, the news media, and by the intelligence community. That doesn't mean that the story didn't get out; but it was completely surrounded by FUD and lies.

The contents of the laptop have since come out in hair raising detail.

>The fact is if we were allowed by the media to have a civil discourse about topics we could probably find a lot more common ground.

Agreed. Ergo, nostr.

Crizzo 2y ago

I'm sorry I am still trying to deprogram myself from the left wing propaganda I have immersed myself in for years on Reddit.

I'll admit I know very little about the laptop story, but whether it's true or not is irrelevant to my point. What the media chooses to amplify or suppress is part of the manipulation. They are probably all criminals on both sides at those levels of govt, or at least they would be if they weren't the ones writing all the laws for themselves.

I just don't think it's worth worrying about anymore because they will never punish themselves for their crimes, and all fighting about it does is feed into their divisive agenda. I don't think it matters anymore which party is in power at the Federal level because they are all too impotent to make any significant changes.

Bitcoin is a bottom up revolution, so we should be focusing on making progress at the local level first where our votes and our voices are worth a lot more.

unclebobmartin 2y ago

I can't disagree with any of that. I have some hope, perhaps forlorn, that the electorate will eventually right the ship before it sinks beneath the waves of debt and unfunded liabilities. We'll see.

From: Crizzo<-DerekRoss at 06/08/23 12:36:26 on wss://relay.damus.io

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>I'm sorry I am still trying to deprogram myself from the left wing propaganda I have immersed myself in for years on Reddit.

>I'll admit I know very little about the laptop story, but whether it's true or not is irrelevant to my point. What the media chooses to amplify or suppress is part of the manipulation. They are probably all criminals on both sides at those levels of govt, or at least they would be if they weren't the ones writing all the laws for themselves.

>I just don't think it's worth worrying about anymore because they will never punish themselves for their crimes, and all fighting about it does is feed into their divisive agenda. I don't think it matters anymore which party is in power at the Federal level because they are all too impotent to make any significant changes.

>Bitcoin is a bottom up revolution, so we should be focusing on making progress at the local level first where our votes and our voices are worth a lot more.

Derek Ross 2y ago

I was a Republican and voted Republican my entire adult life until 2016. I could no longer be associated with what the Republican party turned into. It's disgusting. So, I left it. Though, I believe most politics are that way now.

unclebobmartin 2y ago

The policital tribalism is certainly disgusting. I used to be able to talk with my democrat friends. I can't tell you how many of them I've lost simply by not deigning to vote the way they want. Several people I've been friends with over the years, and have helped in their careers, have disowned me, and have spread rumors and lies about me. They have attacked me professionally as well as personally.

Fortunately, they can't really harm me professionally. I don't get invited to speak at as many conferences anymore but I don't really want to go to those conferences anyway. The last time I went to a software conference I had to walk out on a keynote talk given by a VP of security who went on a rant about how awful republicans were.

As for the parties, I see the GOP starting to back away from Trump and reform itself into something better. At the same time I see the democrats drowning in the boiling pot of wokeness they have created. I think it will take some time for them to recover.

Meanwhile the backlash against the woke nonsense is starting to build both on the left and on the right. It turns out that there are some sane democrats after all. They were just, for a while, too afraid to speak up.

From: DerekRoss at 06/08/23 12:18:50 on wss://atlas.nostr.land

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>I was a Republican and voted Republican my entire adult life until 2016. I could no longer be associated with what the Republican party turned into. It's disgusting. So, I left it. Though, I believe most politics are that way now.

JoySun 2y ago

My long time close friend is on the extreme opposite from me. We had some arguments in 2020 and decided it was not worth it so we just agreed to not talk about it.

We deeply care about each other and remain close in each other's life. I think we are both lucky.

On the other hand, someone else I know which i probably agree with on most issues got mad because I don't think Trump is the right person for the job. So...it's really on personal basis and not a left/right thing but the media would have us believe all liberals are this and all conservatives are that and there's nothing and no one in between.

JoySun 2y ago

Yea the party is def corrupt