would be nice if we could just copy or use others follow lists
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What's your take on the follower count? Should we remove it entirely?
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Your follower count on Iris may seem lower than on other clients. Iris rejects events from authors that your social network has not interacted with. You get way less spam and your follower count number is lower for the same reason.
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What's the proper amount of relays? Iris account runs well between 7-13 active relays.
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Iris has a "follow all" feature
its quite cool but rather than add them all each as your follows could you instead just use the other persons follows? what i mean is your feed will be constructed from your follows and other users follows, so you would have a new function, say follow someone then select to also 'follow' their follows, real effect is your feed filters for your follow list and the follow follows list
i say this because now i have just added #[4] 's 488 follows you also dont have a function to remove them all, and if i could just use his follow list he would curate it for me by add and remove people
the net effect is we might just add a few people and have a massive amount of users for a feed, you could even add another layer follows of follows of follows etc
we might then also need a way to unfollow some indirect users in our feed, block being too harsh
I wouldnt recommend to follow everyone of a users follows. Your follows should be fine tuned by your own to get the best signal for you. This is also why I avoid global like the plague. For me its all about building a follow list of my own and discovery within the wider network.
The purpose of my curated follow lists are so that people who connect to me can scan it, follow people they didn't know had a nostr account, lift up visibility of people and bringing them together, organically. A social thing.
Amen
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If you want to see my feed you can login with my pubkey.
Would certainly be nice to be able to rate/order our own feeds though. Zaps help with that tremendously, if we can order a feed by zaps sent/received that would be strong signal.
Yeah sure, but simple filtering and ordering is not algorithmic in my view. Its just filtering. And it exist some filters already nostrgram.
Agreed. I would use the term 'visibility algorithm' here.
If the client is merely ordering the note flow of a selected account, then that wouldn't be a visibility algorithm. A visibility algorithm would be ordering the note flow from many accounts, where the sorting can be used to boost or deboost certain accounts.
Much better term there, agreed.
a filter is literally an algo
When you brush your teeth, shower, do all the other prep that you do each day, that routine is an algo. Just because something is an algo doesn't automatically mean it is bad or evil. Centralized algos that allow other actors to control how you see the world, are evil. Personally controlled algos that let you properly interact with the world, whether those algos be code you run for yourself, or algos run by your brain, are necessary, and can be good.
If you think all computer algorithms are bad, try to operate while only being on public relays, and only ever looking at global. If the data feed isn't controlled, you will be overwhelmed. If it isn't controlled by you, you will also be manipulated.
I'm realizing now I might have assumed where you were going with this, and if so, my bad. Points still stand.
'try operate while only being on public relays, and only ever looking at global'
i do that but with the iris algo
oh lol. I'd zap you if you had that set up.
Technically true, I'll rephrase it, in sense of what people mean when they talk about "the algorithm", which is much more sophisticated, used on sites like twitter, Youtube etc. which controls what people experience, based on their own data, and behavior that are manipulated without any transparency. As Seeker say, personally controlled algos are fine, but centrally controlled ones are evil. Maybe there is a better word for what I mean.
My bad.
No problem. We're all trying to figure out what we want in this space, and we've all been burned by the ones we're coming from. Discussion like this are likely gonna be common over the near future.
By at leaast owning our identity and data, we can apply our own algorithms and make them smarter, consciously to tune the signal. That will be sick.