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What's your take on the follower count? Should we remove it entirely?

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Your follower count on Iris may seem lower than on other clients. Iris rejects events from authors that your social network has not interacted with. You get way less spam and your follower count number is lower for the same reason.

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What's the proper amount of relays? Iris account runs well between 7-13 active relays.

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Stonez ₿ 2y ago

I can’t get zaps to work, is there something I need to do to be able to use?

a2046z 2y ago

plausability and trust thru the amount of followers is failed.

zap me if you agree

its the connections that matter

Mysth 2y ago

You should try to remove the followers count and see how it goes for a few weeks.

I run a dozen of relays and it seems fine to me.

pam 2y ago

Def a lot to unpackage and to think abt, not just based on technical implications, but also principles and impact. I don’t have an answer but here are some thought processes :

1. It helps to keep track of who you follow / follows you - but this doesn’t have to public

2. It helps to show if the profile page you view indicates ‘follows you’

3. It’s normal to do profile check before you follow.

- Who they are, interest, communication behaviour (as it impacts your feed and notification).

- On Twitter you see whom among those you follow, follows this person. This is good because you build your own tribe.

- On Iris, you can hover over the colour badge and see the # instead.

- Externally there is linkedin, Google search. As pretentious and grossed out linkedin is, often it builds trust and confidence (as opposed to if you are a ‘nobody’)

However, crowd persuasion can also be dangerous

- You fuel in narcissism of a populist

- You fuel in the need to want to be a populist

- you also see this in leadership, religion, cults and it can be used for good and bad

Are there benefits in being a populist ?

- It’s gonna be harder to bully someone who has access to a large crowd.

- You get to push a mission forward faster.

- But once it becomes centralised controlled, it can get harmful

For influencer, populist

- Numbers and metrics sells.

- As Nostr grows, content creation becomes crucial.

I think there is just so to think abt - would be risky to come to a conclusion quickly. I also think #[3] would be the best to share with us on his thoughts between regular usage vs what influencers seek, whereby the latter can also be adapted for artist payments, commerce, crowdfunding etc

brianco 2y ago

Working on a web client now. I think we’ll have mode that turns off all counters and tabulations for following, followers, likes, and zaps. You could still see those things but a summary wouldn’t be available on profiles or notes.

Pura Vida mode.

HoloKat 2y ago

Love the sound of that! 💜

brianco 2y ago

🤙🏼

pam 2y ago

yea, option to turn it off sounds great.

would be nice if we could just copy or use others follow lists

Iris has a "follow all" feature

omg you already have it! legend

its quite cool but rather than add them all each as your follows could you instead just use the other persons follows? what i mean is your feed will be constructed from your follows and other users follows, so you would have a new function, say follow someone then select to also 'follow' their follows, real effect is your feed filters for your follow list and the follow follows list

i say this because now i have just added #[4] 's 488 follows you also dont have a function to remove them all, and if i could just use his follow list he would curate it for me by add and remove people

the net effect is we might just add a few people and have a massive amount of users for a feed, you could even add another layer follows of follows of follows etc

we might then also need a way to unfollow some indirect users in our feed, block being too harsh

I wouldnt recommend to follow everyone of a users follows. Your follows should be fine tuned by your own to get the best signal for you. This is also why I avoid global like the plague. For me its all about building a follow list of my own and discovery within the wider network.

The purpose of my curated follow lists are so that people who connect to me can scan it, follow people they didn't know had a nostr account, lift up visibility of people and bringing them together, organically. A social thing.

Merrcurr⚡️ 2y ago

Amen

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If you want to see my feed you can login with my pubkey.

That feature is so underrated. I'm actually kinda stunned it exists.

better if you could just select a tab on the users profile for their feed

You mean like this 👇

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ok so i am not using an extension so i cant see it

Would certainly be nice to be able to rate/order our own feeds though. Zaps help with that tremendously, if we can order a feed by zaps sent/received that would be strong signal.

Yeah sure, but simple filtering and ordering is not algorithmic in my view. Its just filtering. And it exist some filters already nostrgram.

Leo Fernevak 2y ago

Agreed. I would use the term 'visibility algorithm' here.

If the client is merely ordering the note flow of a selected account, then that wouldn't be a visibility algorithm. A visibility algorithm would be ordering the note flow from many accounts, where the sorting can be used to boost or deboost certain accounts.

Much better term there, agreed.

The algorithm is like the fiat system

The-FewBTC 2y ago

Facts 😅

Prof. - Xadke 2y ago

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If the algorithm is being run by someone else, absolutely. If the algorithm is being run by me, only on my client, merely to control how what I'm seeing is ultimately filtered? Well then I'm thinking I want to do that.

a filter is literally an algo

When you brush your teeth, shower, do all the other prep that you do each day, that routine is an algo. Just because something is an algo doesn't automatically mean it is bad or evil. Centralized algos that allow other actors to control how you see the world, are evil. Personally controlled algos that let you properly interact with the world, whether those algos be code you run for yourself, or algos run by your brain, are necessary, and can be good.

If you think all computer algorithms are bad, try to operate while only being on public relays, and only ever looking at global. If the data feed isn't controlled, you will be overwhelmed. If it isn't controlled by you, you will also be manipulated.

I'm realizing now I might have assumed where you were going with this, and if so, my bad. Points still stand.

'try operate while only being on public relays, and only ever looking at global'

i do that but with the iris algo

oh lol. I'd zap you if you had that set up.

Technically true, I'll rephrase it, in sense of what people mean when they talk about "the algorithm", which is much more sophisticated, used on sites like twitter, Youtube etc. which controls what people experience, based on their own data, and behavior that are manipulated without any transparency. As Seeker say, personally controlled algos are fine, but centrally controlled ones are evil. Maybe there is a better word for what I mean.

My bad.

No problem. We're all trying to figure out what we want in this space, and we've all been burned by the ones we're coming from. Discussion like this are likely gonna be common over the near future.

By at leaast owning our identity and data, we can apply our own algorithms and make them smarter, consciously to tune the signal. That will be sick.

Leo Fernevak 2y ago

Yup. Visibility algorithms are bad, because they can and will be manipulated for gains.

i manipulate mine all the time

Leo Fernevak 2y ago

Always best is to create your own sorting.

Lists does this and shows only the accounts you select; hence no algorithm.

being able to use others follows makes a great way for new users to use nostr, i also thought if we could view others follow feed would be good

On snort you could follow the same people you followed on twitter. That was a very useful feature.

Mulecolt 2y ago

#Nostr shouldn’t try to imitate Twitter or Insta. This is the chance to rethink what’s important and what isn’t. If it’s just “decentralized Twitter” it will fail. It has to be something novel for the world. Automatic translation to your native language is much more important than follower count, for instance, because so many who can’t be on Twitter can be here.

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 2y ago

Help me out. What does it mean that events are filtered if my network didn’t interact?

If for instance I have a follower that posted something that nobody likes then I may not see that post nor the user?