interesting, first time hearing this but been out of the loop for a bit. t-y
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I dont think its a common use case. Hapoy discovery during a time in my life i had poor if any sleep
Because in many cases, that’s a far-fetched concept. LSD intended for sale in clubs is often adulterated with amphetamines (better for dancing, partying, venue sales, etc.), but if you get some clean stuff, this is entirely possible. And the dreams can be wild.
Is it too much to ask that the drugs be pure?
Haha, so long as we’re talking about the black market, yes. That’s why you use trusted sources or test kits if you aren’t a professional or a gambler (of course every professional is a bit of gambler). Life’s too short for bad drugs. In this case, they specifically do it to keep the party lively.
But that said, clean MDMA + LSD can be a fantastic time, especially you can nail the right timings.
used to get pretty clean (lab boys said) no amphetamine but that was then & don't recall the sleepside. t-y
nah
maybe if the entire weight of the paper was amphetamine
but acid is so cheap and plentiful
its not profitable to adulterate it with anything.
now X
that's often cut or just a straight up research chemical
X is always cut. That’s why it’s X. It’s supposed to be MDMA + something, but sometimes it is just chalk, like you said, and sometimes the MDMA is replaced a shitty upper. I haven’t found research chemicals in many of them, but it definitely happens. I had some great Chicago Mints with 2CB once.
Acid you buy on dance floors will quite often be laced with some sort of upper, I assure you. It’s just better for party scene entrepreneurs. I’ve had a lot of those and a lot plain. I prefer the latter, but I get why they do it…
this is obsolete information. they used to pass off halogenated amphetamines as LSD or mescaline, but that was decades ago. and it wasn't a cut, it was a total substitution. the tabs that end up at places like drugsdata (formerly ecstasydata) when they contain LSD they only ever contain manufacturing byproducts. nobody's cutting LSD with other psychoactive substances.
It’s possible they aren’t anymore, but assure you they were 5-10 years ago. The online market has definitely changed things, and maybe it’s changed that on the whole. But I promise you they used to chew their mouths on that shit, and it was distinctly different whenever you’d get it pure. I would wager very little of this type of stuff turns up in databases. Usually it moves through 2-3 hands after the border and gets dispensed at parties rapidly. In certain scenes, no one bothers testing.
Just to be extra clear. We are not talking about halogenated amphetamines. They were full on tripping in all the ways you’d expect; we’d just be wound up too. Like I said, it was never about making more money per se (although, indirectly, it was, as a dance floor full of people sitting Indian style and giggling really upsets the house).
10 years ago was the tail end of n-benzylated phenethylamines being passed off as LSD. again, it was a total substitution and not a cut. these drugs were typically more stimulating and had pretty bad safety profiles. they were abundant for a while due to their lower cost and legality. it seemed to have tapered off due to a global decline in wholesale LSD prices combined with increased awareness that n-benzylated phenethylamines were so dangerous.
Yeah, I believe it. It wasn’t passed off as LSD to me, but that was absolutely going on back then (I presume you’re talking about the 25i here). I knew it was experimental. We were just giving it a spin, but it truly ruined that day because of the bizarre sound hallucination would destroy your rhythm. Too much lag & cacophony on that stuff.
What ended up being dangerous about it?
it causes HPPD too easily, it has too much vasoconstriction, and it lowers your seizure threshold too much. the therapeutic index is very narrow like LSD but unlike LSD taking too much can put your body in physical danger. it's also a full agonist at 5-HT receptor sites and this will likely cause some brain damage. it's fistfucking the receptor. you will notice when you take it that it makes your tolerance to other psychedelics very high for a much longer time than normal.
I did! I knew it was more than just normal cross-tolerance. I’m glad I only did it the once then.
I really don't agree. I think "laced LSD" is just a complete myth, right up there with all the other silly things people say such as "double dipped" or "made with strychnine." it's much easier and more straightforward to pass off a totally different drug as LSD and this is what all the available evidence points towards.
I spent 8 years doing something in that world on a multiple times a week basis. I know acid, I know the other trips, I know phenethylamines & amphetamines. I know K, I know how it differs in experience from MXE. I used to taste e pills and usually did a pretty good job identifying shit for people. You’re not talking to an amateur. They used to do that because if you end up with a dance floor full of Indian circles and goofies to clean up at 2, 3am, it’s a real bummer and often a liability.
You don’t have to believe it. It’s okay with me. But you haven’t really given me a hypothesis that explains the givens I’ve laid out.
I 100% understand the sentiment though. Some of the myths used to drive me insane. You could not convince people heroin was almost never in E. So many would say it. Or the cops who get high on dope “just from touching the bag.” People think some wild shit, and God forbid they managed to achieve some confirmation bias on it at some point in their lives, they’re not budging.
you can't identify cuts or substitutions by bioassaying a sample in your own body and comparing it with your own memories. you can't even reliabily identify cuts with reagent test kits, not even if you buy one of those gimmicky at home thin layer chromatography kits. you have to send the sample to a lab like drugsdata or energy control international and pay for GC-MS/HPLC-MS.
I guess if I’m trying to write a paper on it or prove it to someone, but none of those drugs really create those upper symptoms I mentioned.
This was pretty common knowledge among the old heads at the time.
So basically speedballing?
You’re talking about E? No, not really. If the cut is another drug, it’s usually a cheaper upper. That’s probably the vast majority of them.
Speedballing is up and down, and typically refers to simultaneous use of cocaine & heroin. It’s usually something addicts of one of those two get into when the one on its own isn’t doing much for them anymore. Or because they need one or the other to “sleep” or “wake up” after the other.
If you’re referring to the Mints I mentioned, that’s closer to what we call “candy flipping,” though that’s usually not with 2Cs.