Nostr Web Client

Follow packs are a nice step, but I'm not currently inclined to use them. What I would be interested in is having them as discrete lists or filters that I can flip off or on.

Say, I'm in Prague, and I want to see all notes from everyone else there. I subscribe to/activate the BTC Prague list. I get the benefit of the content, without having to commit to following. If I like what I see, I can tap another button to follow individual npubs.

When the event is over, I deactivate/delete my subscription to the list.

tl;dr Date before you marry

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vnprc 6mo ago

To be fair follow packs are for newbies.

That's a great idea, though. Would be cool to have an easy way to permanently follow some accounts from the transient list.

Shawn 6mo ago

Fair point about target audience.

beejay 6mo ago

Not just newbies. Anyone on here can use them.

vnprc 6mo ago

yeah of course but the idea was intended to help onboard new nostriches

i don't find myself browsing follow packs because i have a robust network already, but sometimes i'll find new (to me) accounts from a follow pack

BITKARROT 6mo ago

You can make custom lists on honey.hivetalk.org

Shawn 6mo ago

I was bullish on lists. Unfortunately, lists are another half-baked feature that don't work reliably or consistently across clients.

Ryan 6mo ago

Same here. So much promise as a feature, but it is ignored.

tanel 6mo ago

nostr is currently a twitter-copy clients monopoly

great features that don't get implemented to those copies won't get any daylight and are being left for dead

sad but true

BITKARROT 6mo ago

So just ditch it completely, right?

Ryan 6mo ago

I never said or implied that.

I've tried using them in a handful of different tools. Notified the devs of issues they have, and why they don't work. Eventually becoming bored of it. So I just ignore them now. Maybe someday they will be fixed.

This isn't a comment on your tool. I've never even tried it. I'm fact I didn't even see your message before Shawn's, it wasn't showing in my client earlier. I was responding too him.

BITKARROT 6mo ago

I am super curious to know why they don't work.

If one is using the same relay(s) to consistently post and read the follow packs or lists, why can't it work?

Ryan 6mo ago

List names created with some tools show up as gibberish on others.

Lists of users created with Nostrudel are filled with duplicates.

Client support is severely lacking. Being able to view lists but not add or remove people is common.

It's a great idea, but the support, and especially compatibility over the whole ecosystem is lacking. I tried for a while to find a combo of tools that worked, but it was always frustrating, and never worked quite right.

I've been using Nostr since Feb 2023, I've got a pretty good handle on how Nostr works, even running my own WoT relay. I'm willing to look past little bugs because Nostr is worth it. But lists need a lot of love before they are usable. More integration in clients, and properly displaying their names & contents between different apps would be a good start.

BITKARROT 6mo ago

Does nostr:nprofile1qqszv6q4uryjzr06xfxxew34wwc5hmjfmfpqn229d72gfegsdn2q3fgprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszynhwden5te0dehhxarjw4jjucm0d5hsv5328h know about the issue?

Ryan 6mo ago

I'm not sure. I've tagged him directly in the past about it with no response, and also have brought up my various issues with elsat, and they noted it in the nostrabilty GitHub I believe.

I just checked and Nostrudel is still the same. It seems like any time I add someone to a list the entire list gets concatenated to the end of the current list. For instance this list. Displays with a gibberish name in amethyst, and is filled with duplicates for some reason.

nostr:naddr1qq2nj335tashz6ps0fh9wktdgd2rz6tv94cx6qg5waen5te0xyerwt3s9cczuvf6xsurvwf0qgsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6qrqsqqqafsrg3w3w

BITKARROT 6mo ago

Oh how weird. Somehow my lists on nostrudel all look ok. I used listr for some, hive for others or manually constructed and broadcast. Anyway thanks for your detailed input

Ryan 6mo ago

I've never been able to get listr to work properly. I've created a few lists in other tools, Nostrudel & Nostr.band. None show in listr.

BITKARROT 6mo ago

🤯 what signer are you using?

Ryan 6mo ago

Nos2x

Ryan 6mo ago

I just tried hive talk, there I see the gibberish names, and still the duplicates. I think nostrmo is the only app where they show correctly, without the duplicates.

BITKARROT 6mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qqs0sgghn02adywxrdp4vvmr3zk6ms7vzvz0f8nhr2ru8r08a48aqgspzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdus3dctx

YEGHRO 6mo ago

🤔

YEGHRO 6mo ago

I think I see the issue. I'll see if I can work out a fix for hive.

YEGHRO 6mo ago

Okay, I just pushed an update that should fix the issue. Try it out when you get a chance nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qqsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6q8mkwc3 nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnzd96xxmmfdecxzunt9e3k7mgpypmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumgv9mku7t9v9nk2u3wvdhk6tmrdpshgqpqclk6vc9xhjp8q5cws262wuf2eh4zuvwupft03hy4ttqqnm7e0jrq2mw3cr

BITKARROT 6mo ago

H/T nostr:nprofile1qqs0sgghn02adywxrdp4vvmr3zk6ms7vzvz0f8nhr2ru8r08a48aqgspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg6waehxw309ahx7um5wfjkccte9euk2emgwfhjucm0d5paulrf , small issues can be fixed with a great team, instead of assuming it can’t work 🥳🫂

nostr:nprofile1qqsv0mdxvznteqns2v8g9d98wy4vm63wx8wq54hcmj244sqfalvhepspzfmhxue69uhhwmm59e6hg7r09ehkuegpydmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumgv9mku7t9v9nk2u3wvdhk6tmswf5hvct5v5xwtwjm nostr:nprofile1qqsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6qprdmhxue69uhhwmm59ejx7amwd9ek7mn5dpjh2upwvdsj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsk3cwgy

YEGHRO 6mo ago

💯🙏

BITKARROT 6mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qqs0sgghn02adywxrdp4vvmr3zk6ms7vzvz0f8nhr2ru8r08a48aqgspzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdus3dctxhe gibberish is likely constructed by wherever you created the lists origjnally, so this old data format probably has some issues, as new lists i see on nostrudel are all pretty clean. Make a new list and see

If its the same

Ryan 6mo ago

I'll try again shortly.

It's strange because some apps do show the name correctly. In Amethyst the lists are named correctly in the drop down list to select them, but if I add them as an nevent in a note they display the gibberish name.

BITKARROT 6mo ago

I don’t know the history of this specific kind but my gut tells me that it may have been revised in between the time that various clients have implemented them so if the format earlier on was one way it could’ve changed for later on

Ryan 6mo ago

And now the old lists aren't showing in Nostrudel, using the same relay set as Amethyst 😂

This is what I mean. I've spent hours trying to get lists to work and it never does. 🤣

BITKARROT 6mo ago

😂😂😂

BITKARROT 6mo ago

I knew there was a good reason to download amethyst for testing this week. Hold my beer

Ryan 6mo ago

A new list created in Nostrudel, named "test list". No duplicates on this one.

Shawn 6mo ago

And this is what a prior reply looks like in nostr:npub1yzvxlwp7wawed5vgefwfmugvumtp8c8t0etk3g8sky4n0ndvyxesnxrf8q Android. We are so early.

REDKAZ⚡️| YakiHonne 6mo ago

Thanks for the feedback 🙏

idsera 6mo ago

I can't wait to see lists on the best Nostr client https://jumble.social/

cc nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl

Cody 6mo ago

Step by step

:P 6mo ago

It’s on the todo list 📋

BITKARROT 6mo ago

So lists are completely useless, ditch them entirely? What is the best tutorial for WOT or another option to handle list like features in your opinion?

ODELL 6mo ago

you can save the follow pack as a feed in primal now, without following the people in the pack

Shawn 6mo ago

Nice.

vnprc 6mo ago

NotBiebs and 69 others 6mo ago

Is it possible to create follow packs in Primal?

ODELL 6mo ago

not yet

it is an open spec, so i use https://following.space to create and maintain my packs

Diyana 6mo ago

Help me out here. Where do I find this? Where is it located on my primal app. I can't easily find it.

ODELL 6mo ago

click the right most button on the bottom bar in the mobile app (the explore tab)

Diyana 6mo ago

Thank you! So it seems like I am confused where to find the follow pack to add to the feeds, which seems to be located where you pointed out. Cos I don't see this follow pack there. Does nostr:nprofile1qqsgqke57uygxl0m8elstq26c4mq2erz3dvdtgxwswwvhdh0xcs04scppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyt8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnvvfjx2a3wve6kutcvrqzhm have a tutorial on this? :)

BITKARROT 6mo ago

are Follow packs lists, as in kind 30000?

ManiMe 6mo ago

This is a great start, nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx , but individuals are bias and forgetful. Any one follow lists is only as “thorough” as its author can be.

As far as “the best list” of npubs for a given topic (as nostr:npub1clk6vc9xhjp8q5cws262wuf2eh4zuvwupft03hy4ttqqnm7e0jrq3upup9 ⁤⁣and I have discussed at length with nostr:npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3), GrapeRank is the ONLY algo engine set up exactly to solve for this scenario.

It can easily be extended to ingest follow-packs from all over “your web of trust”, and to output these as a weighted list of the “top recommended npubs on any given topic” … which itself can be made available as a follow pack.

The development work needed (to ingest and export follow packs) is relatively simple … BECAUSE GrapeRank is built from the ground up as an extensible recommendation engine.

I had a chance to briefly share this with nostr:npub1zga04e73s7ard4kaektaha9vckdwll3y8auztyhl3uj764ua7vrqc7ppvc in Vegas, but I’m not sure the message hit home.

GrapeRank is a readymade and extensible algo engine, waiting to be leveraged by any client or relay. Happy to help in anyway.

https://github.com/Pretty-Good-Freedom-Tech/graperank-nodejs

elsat 6mo ago

📝

cc nostr:npub12gyrpse550melzx2ey69srfxlyd8svkxkg0mjcjkjr4zakqm2cnqwa3jj5 nostr:npub1yaul8k059377u9lsu67de7y637w4jtgeuwcmh5n7788l6xnlnrgs3tvjmf nostr:npub13v47pg9dxjq96an8jfev9znhm0k7ntwtlh9y335paj9kyjsjpznqzzl3l8

https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/3098

elsat 6mo ago

https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/3098