⚡️💬 5 years ago I was very close to taking out a home loan (God forbid). But it frustrated me, I couldn't understand why I had to pay rent when I could "own" my own home for the same amount. Then I got interested in economics & finance and discovered the other side of the story and I understood...

Interest-bearing credit allows the rich (creditors) to get richer effortlessly and without risk, while the borrowers (often poor or vulnerable) get poorer because of the high interest payments.

Usurious interest feeds speculation (especially in real estate), and it's the middle classes who pay the highest price for housing.

States are over-indebted and dependent on the financial markets... they pass this on to the population to continue to incur debt and pay ever-higher interest rates (higher taxes, pension reforms, cuts in social benefits, etc.).

Usurious interest is responsible for inflation: the rich get richer by borrowing at low rates to accumulate assets, while the poor suffer the loss in value of money.

Certain powerful countries can go into almost infinite debt, and usurious interest finances and fuels wars around the world.

Over-consumption, waste, pollution... all the ills of this world, going back to the beginning, are always linked in one way or another to usurious interest.

🗣️ Did you know that usurious interest (i.e. lending money at interest) is forbidden in several religions?

➤ According to Islam: Formally forbidden, called riba in the Koran. Riba is considered a serious sin, as it is seen as a form of exploitation.

- Qur'anic example (Sura 2:275): "Those who consume usurious interest will only rise up (on the Day of Judgment) as one who has been upset by the devil's touch. (...) Allah has permitted trade and forbidden usury. (...) "

➤ According to Christianity: Usury was condemned in the first centuries of Christianity. The Gospels call for lending without expecting in return. Councils (Middle Ages) forbade Christians to practice usury. Today, churches no longer forbid moderate interest, but excessive usury remains morally condemned.

- Biblical example (Exodus 22:25): "If you lend money to one of my people, to the poor man who is with you, you shall not be to him as a creditor; you shall not charge him interest. "

➤ According to Judaism: The Torah forbids charging interest between Jews, but allows it towards non-Jews.

- Example (Deuteronomy 23:20-21): "You shall not lend interest to your brother..."

I tell myself that behind every prohibition there is God's wisdom, whether we understand it or not.

There's nothing fraternal about shaking hands with your banker after signing your loan; you literally go from free man to slave in one signature...

That's why bitcoin, that's why I put so much energy into Nostr, I'm looking for financial freedom while remaining FREE!

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Flash is a dynamic fuckin nym. Enjoyed this exposition friend.

Thanks nostr:nprofile1qqsx0tdgudz9xt9lstcwwqj89cjv0ztwpcwfvg674ja25juxzczjzugpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejq6ns9s5 , flash is my only Nostr account, so I also use it from time to time to express my personal experiences.

I’m here for it.

Islamic loans have a flat fee.

If anyone is considering getting a large loan by far the best option.

They also tend to be really forgiving regarding late payments and stuff like that.

As for me, I prefer to stay away from loans altogether, to live within my means if I can't buy that car for cash then I'll wait and save.

But I've heard nothing but good things about Islamic banks in general nostr:npub1zede6daz3yp3qwhe45jqx67u2sns3qkqrtw4z4u3ljtxv9nultqs0e3hvt

Same.

I have never owned a credit card and I have never used a any of those payday loans apps.

I know so many people who are literally just digging themselves deeper and deeper into debt each month and I can not understand it.

When my dog was bitten by a brown snake the vet tried to make me install zip pay app.

I just didn't do it, I went back each fortnight and paid them $200 at a time and got a receipt each time to keep track of it.

The bill was $3000.

The dog already had his treatment so it's not like they were going to refuse the money.

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You take on debts probably every day. Whether they are with your friends, family or future self. They don't necessarily need to be purely monetary but they are energy or time based.

We can have moral debts with friends and family which are a positive some game.

If you stay up all night posting news you will repay that sleep.

Maybe you're issue is with a very specific kind of situation where you do not know the source of the debt value being traded.

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Hopefully the shekelbergs in this space see this.

love this more than your news!!!

Wow 😳, sometimes I hold back so as not to "disturb you". Because I figure you're here for the news, not to hear about my life.

100%, usury is a sin and should be banned. Any system that prioritizes usury over labor, parasite over producer is antihuman.

Nice to meet you friend 🤝😉

:-)

I love this take. And I believe it goes along with what nostr:nprofile1qqsg86qcm7lve6jkkr64z4mt8lfe57jsu8vpty6r2qpk37sgtnxevjcpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszxnhwden5te0dehhxarj9ehhyctwvajhq6tvdshxgetk097j98 has been saying. Can we try and get to the level of the elites, and make money with low interest loans? We could. Or…we can opt out. And build a better world.

Nice to meet you ender 🤝😉

You can try to save enough money to buy a property without a loan, but will most likely never be able to reach such goal, or you will be too old to actually enjoy it while your family grows. So the choice people have to make today is either rent forever and loose that money for good, or pay back a bank for 20~25 years (with interest) and actually own a valuable asset that you can liquidate in case of major life change.

Note that it is way more expensive to rent forever than actually pay interest on a loan.

We don't own anything, we don't take anything to the grave. The tenant is free to leave, while the person who has taken out a loan is locked in for 25-30 years. If your argument is a potential inheritance to leave to your children, the landlord can do the same with his savings, and the child can become an owner if the parents didn't have the time.

For a quality life, I prefer a life without credit.

If you rent your whole life, you won’t have much left to give your children because you will have to burn through your savings until you die to at least pay for the ever increasing rents cost of living.

Bitcoin might help you get through this by compensating for the fiat inflation but that’s a completely unknown forecast.

IMO this plan works only if you’re already quite wealthy.

I agree.

Real estate is a shitcoin.

Maintenance. Taxes. Bills. Services.

You can take all that and out it into, now corn, was s&p and come out the same without the headache of shitcoining a rotting box.

Rent is about same as P&I without having to own the tools to fix.

However if you have land that you love. Thats a different story. But never again will i consider owning a home in or close to a city

Nice to meet you friend 🤝😉

Learnt a new word today…

“Usurious”

…thanks Nostrich!

#learnstr

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I have a different take. It is very important for someone’s growth to own their house. For almost all, this means debt and accountability to pay it back. If someone is paying rent then they are still a slave to the renter.

The game is live below your means, buy assets and, eventually, get yourself financial freedom. Waiting to buy a house can cause someone to not grow roots in their community.

Thank you for sharing your point of view with us

Nice to meet you jamie 🤝😉

Exactly 💯 If you have a debt to the state or to the bank you become even more slave. They become richer and you become poorer. It's like having a noose around your neck 🪢

I rather live in a tent than paying someone else rent/taking loan, f this system I do not play this game

HODL until people are willing to sell for BTC

Rather than interest would it make more sense to loan money out at a flat fee? E.g., a percentage of the loan that does not compound? Charging the riskier loans a higher fee?

Great note!

This part particularly cought my attention:

"According to Judaism: The Torah forbids charging interest between Jews, but allows it towards non-Jews. "

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Great post

Thank you