Did you not notice the 🏳️🌈 ?
To the cult, “freedom” means doing what they say.
Discussion
No, it just means „leave me alone“.
Or are you scared you are queer?
Maybe you should read what you just said?
“Freedom lovers”
=?
“supportive of others”
It’s exactly what I said:
Your “freedom” is the dictatorial power to force others into compliance with your ideology- and in absence of power, you use guilt and moralizing to gain it.
Then you say “maybe you are queer too” lmao like ok?
Good thing you don’t reproduce, sick degenerate fuck✌️
The only cult around LGBTQ comes from the far right. The rest is people, which are fighting to be treated with the respect of a human being. Thats all.
In the end all free people profit, when everything is accepted, what is not naturally criminal behavior (like violence in speech or fists)
Keep the mental dissonance going, it will make the upcoming breakdown more spectacular.
It is a cult- you worship your perverted sexuality, so much that it becomes part of your identity and you have your own flags and even political motivations.
Imagine how fucking crazy that is for one second.
Or you say “it’s necessary” ?
Name one example where someone was prosecuted in the West for Homosexuality.
Look your attacks go into nothing. I am not in a fight with you. When you would really be a voluntarist as you claim, you would not use your energy to hinder a person having access to their human rights.
Maby read through the laws in the US that are for protection of being free in secuality without discrimination.
These laws are very new. And a person that beliefs, that a change in law is the end of activism.
It is just an extension of feminism really. The core activity is for equal opportunity for everyone. This is at least the part I fully support.
Lmfao listen to yourself.
You think rights come from the government- and since you worship democracy, it’s absolutely necessary to convince or even FORCE others to agree with you. For the greater good. This is the logical end of your assumptions!
Thus- my original comment that:
Freedom for 🏳️🌈 cult is doing what they say.
And you say a conversation online is affecting your “human rights” that actually IS another logical conclusion! IF you believe in government based rights and democracy.
Which is obviously insane.
You can think and claim what you want. Practice your first steps as voluntarist and do as you want without hindering others doing what they want.
Feminism and LGBTQ activism is core voluntarism.
Those ideologies use the STATE to inflict rules and standards.
It’s completely opposite of voluntarism.
I see we got quiet different world views. They are actually just about the state accepting them as equal members as men are acceppted.
The human government/state is evil and shouldn’t exist.
The more you “petition” it or use it, even “for justice” the more power you give it, and it uses that power to abuse all of us.
So you should just stop interacting with it and caring about it so much.
Get your money out of its banks, don’t work for it, etc.
That is voluntarism.
If you are against what I’m saying, you are deluding yourself into thinking that The State can be “used for good” just like the tyrants and authoritarians.
I defnitly have a diffrent interpretation of voluntarism. I rather understand it as the freedom to act as I want to and supporting others in their opportunity to do so.
Also anarchism as Emma Goldmann describes it is order without authority. To have order a society needs a medium to conclude on a set of rules. So even when it is not a state, a constitution would even exist within a perfect anarchy.
And by what way somebody can be held accountable by commonly accepted rules as property rights, when there is no legitimate entity to enforce it?
Yes of course. We will have private courts and police and insurance as well with voluntarism/anarchy. But no one will forced to pay for them.
I prefer Rothbard’s definition in
For a New Liberty.
God bless.
And when you do not pay, who is getting you out of prison, when such a private police arrest you?
How could one still have any savety that one is seen as innocent until the opposit is prooven?
It’s all laid out here:
https://mises.org/library/book/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto
But you can also understand that a book is no proof of concept, whev it comes to cosial behaviour. We still need to build a place to proof those concepts to hold true, when communities live to those principles.
It is no proof at all, writing pages about it. And I find it very weak to claim that your principles you personally hold and act towards are described in a book. Defend them here instead of just referencing. And when not, maby do not defend the concept in the first place.
This is not really constructive.
It’s a very complicated subject.
You need to understand natural law and the real jury trial before understanding a fully voluntary society.
Unfortunately school and media has brainwashed us so much that these concepts of true freedom are totally foreign, when not long ago even a child would have understood them.
We have to learn the language before we can argue.
“Everything is accepted”
Pedo too?
I can imagine there are people with this fetish. When they do not get into criminal action this is ok to me. And I would count streaming and posessing videos of rape, exploitation and child sexual abuse as criminal as well.
The barrier is the criminal action. Not the nonexecuted thought.
Never heard of your cults name for them? “Minor-attracted person”
Sick
Most pedos are actually heterosexual men.
You god loving conservative trolls are the worst. You think you’re having the highest values, but in reality you’re just poor little men who need to make others small to feel great. Bullies.
Gays are more likely to be pedos:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
You just assumed my political gender. I’m a voluntarist.
I’m not asking for laws about sexuality.
The 🌈 people ARE asking for government laws all the time, and that’s why I call it a cult!
Maby really read into what LGBTQ-organisations are asking for. And answer to specific claims and why they are unneeded.
You just talk pure whataboutism.
Fuck you! The only thing you should be “asking for” is the massive downsizing or complete abolition of your government.
Your rainbow cult is a useful tool of corporate state power.
But you are so much more concerned about “mean” anons online.
It’s sad and mentally degenerate
Haha you call yourself voluntarist and think that others should get active for your ideas. This is rather trying to have power over others than voluntarism.
And no I have no problem with people that are mean in the internet. When someone decides to be mean this has nothing to do with me. But it is sad to see, when the mean person does not find a way out of the depression.
Arguing with cult members is hopeless because you don’t even read or try to logically understand what I say- just scripted attacks, it’s interesting you did read enough that you saw the world “voluntarism” so you incorporated it into your attack by suggesting my lack of support for your political cause is antithetical to the thing that I stated I was in support for.
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Your insanity is why the country is moving back to conservatism.
Thanks 🧡
I am just laughing about your notes. Your decision to be ofended. I really can not take you serious.
I’m not offended lmao ?
Then I am happy. Your replies are just quiet reactive. Seems like you did not yet invest in building principles to live up to.
But when you do not agree, state them. Maby it can bring our discussion to a productive point 😉
I think our views are more compatible than it seems from the surface.
We don’t have to agree about that much to be able to peacefully coexist. That’s the beauty of Liberty.
And also why it’s so important to defend.
Happy to hear this from you. I think this can be true.
I think it is important to defend the liberties of the most exposed and vulnerable, to fullfill the idea of freedom. To me freedom means nothing, when it would only belong to a certain prototype. Otherwise I would only have the freedom to act in the manner of such a defined prototype.
And I am really speaking that this is in the end for everyone that wants to be free. Not only for the individuals that identify as LGBTQ+. Since when it would be ok, to attack them violently, whatever attribute can be found to legitimate every violence.
For how somebody clothes, religion, ethnic, size, color of skin, language or whatever attribute would be ok to legitimize violence, when it would be ok to attack LGBTQ violently.
I think we both want liberty for everyone. Not just for a stereotype. Since this stereotype would always be defined by the rich and powerfull.
Just to be clear with you- I personally believe that lgbt is sin and outside of God’s plan. We were meant to reproduce, or else to abstain from sexual immorality. The lgbt actually leads people to loneliness, sickness, and desolation- a sick culture.
Now, making laws about this is very different. The law should not change based on what people believe.
The Lord Jesus Christ said: he who is without sin, can throw the first stone.
And that applies to this sort of moral policy, especially when we are talking about government laws about sexuality- Which should not exist at all.
But that doesn’t mean I won’t “discourage” my culture from sexual immorality, if I can.
This might seem like total fascism to you, but it’s not at all. Since I am making it clear that the government/state/law should NOT apply to this area at all. My beliefs do not control the law.
The tyranny of the false law that does have these moral policies: drug war, firearms restrictions, etc- must be ended!
It’s either that or the culture will slip into an authoritarian pendulum, swinging back and forth between the extreme left and right. Both sides willing to use the power of the state to restrict Liberty. With each swing the “progress” towards totalitarianism continues.
The only solution is LESS government.
You should also read Bastiat:
https://cdn.mises.org/thelaw.pdf
(Very short!)
Bastiat makes a great point here:
Thanks for your explanation. I really am with you in one sentence of your note at least:
"Now, making laws about this is very different. The law should not change based on what people believe. "
So religion should be kept out of law making. I think we both life in liberal societies. They are liturally based on freedom of religion, freedom of expression and the freedom to do whatever you want aslong as it does not take away any freedom from someone else.
This is incompatible with enforcing whatever Jesus said. Laws are based on proper reasoning. Our societies are not depending on christianity. Christianity is depending on the society.
And I am quiet sure most priest would interpret said phrase about throwing the first stone as as a trap. Since it will be most probably be based on the fact that no human is without faults (sins). Jesus was very clearly liberating from those who want to enforce power over others. He forgives the murderer, forgives the thieves, forgives those who betrayed.
So I do not see any way, you could use Jesus to argue for verbal or physical violence against LGBTQ.
But I would say our society is really past this still reasoning based on what is written in the bible. Theologs can reason about the bible. But I really can only accept good reasoning.
I think Jesus was a very good person in reasoning well. I would love to argue with him. But Jesus was not a liberator through enforcing some old writings out of the Thora. So shouldn't we.
Jesus is the ultimate liberator.
In terms of sexual immorality, the problem is that it hurts those involved in it most. And it should be discouraged culturally.
I realize we won’t agree about that. But I needed to make my belief clear. It helps to make the point that the two of us can still agree about the proper function of the law: ensuring liberty and maintaining peace for all.
-while disagreeing about cultural issues.
This point is missed in so much debate online “left vs right”
But no one is free currently!
Everyone is a tax slave, if you don’t pay- men with guns will show up, pull you out of your house and throw you into a metal prison box- or just kill you.
Don’t you feel like that’s a bigger problem? For everyone- no matter their sexuality?
No. I do really not agree with the. "tax is theft" narrativ. I see it rather as the burden to invest to achieve freedom.
Since with the payment of our taxes, we allow everyone going to school, the police to bring criminals to prison and ensur, that people who get into tough conditions have a fair chance to get back up unto independence through the help of social services.
Hey you did the thing.
Wow you’re a sick fuck. You should be held in solitary confinement until your parents are forced to brutally murder you by decapitation with a very dull blade.