Hot take. Many here will disagree with me on this, but this is nostr and damn it, I get to say whatever I want to say.

My sympathies have always been with Palestine over Israel, not because they are the underdog, but because they are the aggrieved party. The United Nations agreed as to how to settle this long ago and Israel is the one violating that agreement. Israel inflicts huge amounts of suffering on them, and suffers tiny amounts in comparison. They "settle" (flat out steal) their land, cut their land into pieces so that they cannot travel, bulldoze their houses, and block them from International trade. It is illegal for Israelis to travel to Palestine, lest they see the horror and develop sympathies for them.

Israel must withdraw from all of Palestine to the 1967 lines, and then there will be peace. That is already a huge compromise from the 1947 lines, which was itself a huge compromise from Palestine originally being 100% of the region. There is no reason to expect them to continue to give more to Israel over and over and over again. It has to stop, and 1967 is where it stops according to the UN, the PLO, and other international bodies.

Bad arguments for the ethnic cleansing and land stealing from Palestineans:

* We used to live here four thousand years ago

* God gave us this land

* We have a bigger economy

* Hitler killed a bunch of us in Germany

* They teach their kids to hate Jews (I believe in freedom of thought, freedom to hate, freedom to love)

* They present a security risk, so we have to kill them first

* Palestine started the violence again this time, not Israel (to think they shouldn't fight to reclaim their land from Israel because there have been ceasefires is status quo bias)

Those are all morally vacant arguments, and give zero consideration to what is just and right.

I never understood why people in the American right-wing are on Israel's side. They make the above arguments and I just cringe.

400M+ people spanning a continent of land, make sure to add in Iran.

But yeah write up an overly simplistic & clearly flawed version of the historical events that led up to where we are now.

It's ridiculous to even mention those strawmen bullshit points you tried to make.

Why make an opinion so concretely on a topic that you not only have no experience with, you clearly can't even reason past the surface level talking points that you read over those three articles you parsed on the shitter.

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You didn't even make your point. What is your point about these countries? You made no point. You just went on and insulted me. If anyone here has trouble reasoning...

If you felt insulted - good.

Ok then, you have confirmed that you are not worth my time. Welcome to the mute list.

is this our future with the mute button you all so love ?

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I think I muted at precisely the right point. I offered deeply thought responses to simple insults three or four times and got back insults and wildly uneducated information. There is a point where it becomes a clear waste of my time. He/she wasn't engaging, he/she was trolling.

sometimes "trolls" are people trying to educate, and building frustration through either real or deliberate misunderstanding

sometimes they are just bored people trying to get attention

and don't get me started on "bots" because by definition they are troll

so many things for one word seems to be the root of much "ill will"

He’s an Israeli who any objective person could understand is on edge right now. He also I’m sure has heard everything you have to say 100 times before. (And I’m sure from much more aggravating persons than yourself) He’s never been a troll in any interaction I’ve seen him in over the last couple months.

My personal (American) view is that the Muslim world has been dumping their undesirables in that area for 100s of years and now they use them as meat shields to attack Israel. It’s all a terrible brothers feud going back to Isaac and Ishmael.

Stopped listening at "hes an israeli"

Maybe join the IDF and fully commit to being a terrorist or stfu

"deeply thought responses" 🤡🤡🤡

the real hot take is the jews stole the land thru out history

'god gave us' is code for 'we are are justified to take'

natural law says it is fine to take tho

except jews use their client states to give them everything, england and euros gave them palestine, the usa holds the land for them

the goy are the cattle that feed and service the jew, they are nothing without them

What's your solution?

The only side of the conflict that can solve it is Israel. Withdraw to the 1967 lines. If they continue to attack Israel after that, I 100% support Israel defending itself.

You clearly don't know the history here.

Youre a clown.

The history is much less relevant than the present. In the present, Israel is subjugating the Palestinians, taking their lands by force, killing their children or at least shooting them in the ankles, restricting their water, not allowing them to do anything productive for "security reasons". They are not free.

I believe in liberty. I also believe in equality. If you believe in those things, you have to believe Palestinians are just as equal as you and I are, and thus you must wish for their freedom. If you don't, then either you don't believe in equality, or you don't believe in freedom. If I'm wrong, you are going to have to explain why clearly, not just spit out insults.

I am not a clown, and I think plenty of people on nostr can attest to that. We may disagree, and if so that is a good thing because we can learn from each other. That is why I am replying rather than just ignoring your short and mean comment.

To be fair, the history also paints Israel in a terrible light. Anybody clinging to "history" doesnt actually know the history

Damn this shits old, I just realized 🤣