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I actually quit trying again recently. I’ve never succeeded at carnivore without compromising for more than 4 days. Low carb isn’t too hard. Meat, fruit, honey, kefir is also pretty easy. 100% carnivore gets tough pretty quick tho, especially bc I never get past the point of rebalancing my gut to not need any fiber.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

milk can fix the fibre problem

if your body is in full keto, almost none of that lactose is absorbed, instead, enzymes chain it into fibre and voila, and technically you haven't really strayed from the carnivore thing

idk if many carnis talk about this but i'm pretty sure this is the answer to that part of it

i would do it if i could actually get at least *pasteurised* milk where i live, but all the shops have almost never got any fresh pasteurised milk (it only comes from the azores, a major exporter to here) only this garbage damaged protein UHT stuff

even still, the lactose in that stuff acts as fibre to a substantial degree, just, as a sole input, it amounts to an excess of carbs and you get fatter, and i found it also exacerbated some kind of motor neuron issue i have that causes double vision and muscle weakness

anyway, point is that you can get fibre from milks, in any case

it also changes your microbiome a lot, because these are special kinds of sugars that don't feed most kinds of yeasts and many of the common bad bacteria, i can report that it practically meant i didn't need to brush my teath between the lack of fermentable sugars in my mouth and the casein layer that formed over my damaged tooth enamel

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Foxfire Mushrooms 9mo ago

That’s interesting, I have definitely never heard this about milk becoming fiber. Also I always figured that milk would immediately knock you out of ketosis from the lactose.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

yeah, i dunno about the ketosis part of it, that's for sure likely (it is after all partly glucose) but it is different in that it doesn't feed bacteria and there are enzymes in the intestines that convert some part of it into fibre

better motions was one of the most notable benefits of the milk diet when i tried it last year

Kristin Carrera 9mo ago

From what I’ve learned, milk doesn’t actually fix the fiber problem because lactose isn’t fiber. Even in ketosis, it’s broken down into glucose and galactose, not converted into fiber. Some of it might ferment in the colon and produce short-chain fatty acids, which can benefit gut health, but that’s not the same as fiber. It can also influence the microbiome, but it’s not a fiber substitute.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

i've never seen any kind of fatty acid improve my celiac, the opposite, and although yes i got a lot of carbs and the evidence of it in weight gain it did improve my lower intestine, slowed mobility and improved quality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose#Biological_properties

from this and another reference i can surmise that it is both the fermentation, and specific microbes that feed on it (lactobacillus, and maybe a couple of others) and the undigested lactose itself is sticky and insoluble like fiber

of course if you are lactose intolerant, as most adult mammals are except for about 70% of the humar population (intolerance is way overstated, it is actually the modern bred A1 protein in frisian cattle that is the main cause of problems)

it's definitely NOT due to the fats nor any fatty metabolite

a lot of things act as fibre other than cellulose, several kinds of clays and diatoms also can alter elimination a lot as well

i personally find that fibrous materials like spinach leaves help a lot for me to absorb more fatty acids, and i can only assume that it's because the fibre adsorbs the fats and occludes the reaction that increases motility from other things in general (not just the fats, other irritants also are mitigated by fiber)

if fiber seems to be the problem then i'd me looking more at what else is in the diet that is causing increased motility and lack of absorption, there is a lot of moving parts in just this one part of the digestive system

Dr. Fernando Morales 9mo ago

What's the fiber problem exactly? The microbiome can change dramatically in just 48 hours of changing one's diet, which could be one reason people suffer GI problems when going keto/carnivore. I'd recommend slowly transitioning over at least 6 weeks to reduce the frequency/intensity of most issues.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

i get diarrhea if there is too much fat in the food... even fatty 20% fat mince does it - but adding something with fibre in it like spinach leaves stops it

Foxfire Mushrooms 9mo ago

nostr:npub1dd8vnrczuer7q9zqk3emhkf207hzrcqmd2nvvh3jmw22xcyjyuhqdfuvr6 What got me to give up last time was constipation and hemorrhoids to the point that all I could think about was a bowl of oatmeal. To be honest, I had gone out to eat and compromised during the days leading up to that, so I know it’s not a valid experiment. However, I have had the same problem previously as well.

Kristin Carrera 9mo ago

Cut back on the fat. I have microscopic colitis so I can’t wait ground beef that’s too fatty. Everything else I do fine with

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

yeah, that is also confirmation that the root cause of my issue has to do with inflamed/damaged intestinal walls... caused by celiac, mostly caused by proteins from seeds

it progressively gets worse the more one's diet contains the irritations, the protein literally abrades the membrane like sandpaper

there are other irritants, probably, but several types of plant proteins are really bad

i also get a rash that is typically a comorbidity on my elbows, hands and sometimes knees and hips, and it doesn't take much to do it, even the residues from finings in wine trigger it quite badly, and it's really hard to avoid foods with traces of wheat protein in it

Ken Berry, MD 9mo ago

Neither fiber or lactose are needed in the adult human diet.

Foxfire Mushrooms 9mo ago

My main goals with carnivore are to reduce chronic inflammation. I can say for sure that the number one thing the improves that is to just not drink alcohol. After that, don’t eat processed food or grains. Also, intermittent fasting seems to be pretty helpful.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

there is many irritants that fibre mitigates, though

but i have generally found that i can't absorb more than about 30g of fat in a meal unless it's also got about 30g of fibre along with it, and when i say fat, i mean tallow, butter, lard

my intuition is that fibre mitigates irritation, but it is not essential, what is more effective is removing the irritation

that can be a real minefield in a modern supermarket, all the ones in europe i find there's almost nothing that isn't poisoned