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average_bitcoiner 6mo ago

Romans 13

crytographic math that enables the subversion of "governing authorities" by leveraging the properties of ECC and other mathematical paradigms.

Do Christians submit to man or is there a new paradigm forming around irrefuteable truth laid forth by God that allows us to ignore fallible men in favor of mathematical guarentees as Law?

This requires examining what makes for a "governing authority". If you think it's some dude with goons and a monopoly on violence, you're missing the bigger question. What makes a just and righteous "governing authority"? How is that authority determined or selected? Would Christ prefer violence as the selection mechanism as it is now or is there a different way?

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R 6mo ago

We do not submit to man. Already in the US the governing authority is a document (constitution). We assemble representatives to carry out the functions of a civil government for the benefit of the people with power (citizens). When that process can be done better by math and code than by human staff, we’ll make the switch.

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average_bitcoiner 6mo ago

Interesting take that the governign authority is the document. 🤔🤔🤔

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u32Luke 6mo ago

This is the way

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S.Y. Slay 6mo ago

I started to do a longer more thoughtful post but lost my progress so this is the short version. Most people haven't read and even fewer understanding the Constitution now including elected officials which makes it impossible for it to truly be the governing Authority, if it ever was. Without people to read it know it and and force it, it's just a piece of parchment sadly. A while back I reviewed one of David Barton's books where he gave examples of 19th century textbooks for elementary school children which showed that they were expected to know the Constitution better in elementary school then then most adults know it today. I recommend the following on the topic. https://canonplus.com/tabs/none/videos/30435

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R 6mo ago

The authority God instituted in this country a couple hundred years ago was that the individual has the power and the citizens choose representatives (not leaders) to enact governance. The controlling document that limits government action is the constitution. Just because a bunch of people are ignorant of that doesn’t mean there is some new authority that I will obey. I think you’re wrong about the constitution being dead. But if it is dead, then I declare myself king, appointed by God and you all shall submit to me like good Christians. I shall accept all homage in bitcoin only.

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S.Y. Slay 5mo ago

Ha! Good luck with that!

Power resides in the people but is unused power, power at all?

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hodlbod 6mo ago

I was talking about exactly this recently in the context of Leviathan by Hobbes. Under the same terms he uses to justify sovereign authority, rights could also be delegated to a system like bitcoin — which can exercise "force" in a sense (through established rules for what you can or can't do with your own property), but only in a non-arbitrary way (whereas Hobbes says that the sovereign need not obey his own laws). I'm not sure I buy Hobbes' arguments though. More broadly, I think systems are strictly inferior to persons as a category — the ideal sovereign (Jesus) would be both impartial and personal. But in our fallen world, an impartial system is a huge upgrade over corrupt authority, and could potentially be considered legitimate under the same terms.

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average_bitcoiner 6mo ago

Haven't read Hobbes. But the framing of systems vs persons I find intriguing.

Have you read Cryptosovereignty?

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hodlbod 6mo ago

No, but I'm familiar with it, I think there's definitely some overlap there