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Interesting. Well, I would say there's a spectrum, as with anything.

I'm from the south and my close friend from California always pointed out to me how much he hated the fake politeness vibes of the south.

When I run into someone from New York or a big city, I'm always aware of how silly I must sound with formulaic stuff. But at the same time it's a lot of fun to have the difference in relating styles for people who are willing to be authentic and point them out.

Also, there is the thing about meeting new people that just puts me into overdrive about wanting to know everything about them and thinking they are the greatest thing ever that walked on the planet.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

this sweet talking you speak of is a form of begging

and yes, of course it relates to the kind that manipulators use

it's very interesting how the posture for these things gets bedded into a cultural meme... people in the balkans have this meme about how saying what you think makes you more blessed (slav) - to the point where they have a policy where you don't use kind words when you beg, you just say "give me" (dai me) and this is also related to old latin words as well, in portuguese "daime" literally means give me, exactly the same as balkans

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Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Huh. Reminds me of a time someone in China very directly and impolitely begged - demanded, really - for some coins to ride the bus. I gave him the coins, mostly just off guard and happy I understood him, and that was that

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yeah, you haven't been to balkans yet. they are extremely direct, it's almost the polar opposite to the eastern way

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Chinese are very direct. Mainland, at least. An aside, but I'd love it if Taiwan would hurry up and officially declare their name to be Taiwan so I can skip all the "mainland" acrobatics...

China Chinese are generally about as happy being rude as a New Yorker, and even more direct. The rest of Asia is indirect and polite. That'll change if China ever fully integrates

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i want people to say what they think to me, always, i'm not scary, watwat?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

also, my experience is a little different, chinese people are precise, and subtle, like the serbian tongue is a halberd and they have a scalpel and hit the target equally

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Yeah... I definitely don't like the feeling of being either manipulated or forgotten, which is what tends to happen socially in the polite Asian countries

gojiberra 1y ago

So Maybe "sweet talking" is not so good but there is a case to be made for "talking sweetly".

I also felt like a caveman compared to the Brazilian politeness.

However, I get it. Sometimes there is politeness in front of your face and there is backstabbing behind.

A lot of politeness is telegraphing intentions to strangers. Initial contacts with others have to result in exaggerated gestures until contact is established

Perhaps as they become friends there is more directness.

gojiberra 1y ago

Also I highly value truth speaking. Even when I don't like to hear it.

It's much more loving to speak the truth to people than "talking sweetly".

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yes, there is times for speaking softly, with ominous confidence

and there is also times for saying "WTF BRO SERIOUSLY YOU FUCKING JUST SAID>>>>"

gojiberra 1y ago

Also, this love bombing thing reminds me of anytime I try to tell a friend BTC is a good investment.

I want to just stop but it's such a compulsion.

So BTC bombing is a serious thing and someday friends are just going to call an ambulance and have me taken away as I scream about "volatility", and "zoom out" and "you have to look at it on a log chart".

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

haha! no, most people don't even understand what cult manipulation and induction techniques are, they just say you are annoying if it doesn't gel with them

you aren't obviously love bombing them because you are obviously doing the opposite, causing a challenge, and this is causing them to be repulsed

but that's life, they have different programs, and if your rationales don't work for them, you can interrogate them more, and gently, and more kindly, and maybe you can find a way

but it's really hard to reason with people about time preference

most people barely even can reason about next year let alone 4 years ahead

bitcoin luvs come from 5-10 years of experience

nobody tried to persuade me, it was just the money i needed to be able to trade for fiats if i was going to sell drugs, and later, to buy drugs from strangers in this business, i had traction on crypto very early, just not the maximalism, that took years to develop

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

People get into ruts, being fairly comfortable with their life, even if they know it sucks. It would be easier to persuade them to spend a couple thousand to go vacation with you than to get them to buy btc. But if they do go adventuring, then I think they become orange pillable.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

that's how i would approach it... adventures make people's brains more plastic, and give ample opportunities to make analogies in fireside tales

for the most part, "orange pilling" is just bashing your head against a brick wall... i've never been inclined to really try and i'm dealing with this pharmacist recently and she just doesn't grasp the value of it, even though her boss, and me both do

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Make friends with her boss and then talk about it. Or bring in a bitcoiner from town. Social validation - probably works for orange pilling

gojiberra 1y ago

Maybe she will get a grasp on you and it's all ok :-D