I will criticize my nation (actually nations, since I'm a dual national) to help guide it's direction, but I won't be disloyal or treasonous to it. When it comes down to it, despite my musings and disfavor of past actions, I'm always on "our side". Even though I have mixed feelings about nationalism, I would never assist the enemy. Critique of my nation is not sympathy for the enemy. I just thought I should be clear on that point.
With that out of the way: fuck the government 🤣
Lots of disclaimers today 😂. I guess it’s for those that don’t understand nuance.
I have pondered this though, what is an invading nation brought greater liberty to mine (never mind the liberty lost in waging war)?
Would that be non-patriotic to see greater liberty?
Just a thought I have had before.
This is part of my mixed feelings on nationalism. Should Iranian women defend Iran against an American takeover? Maybe the principle of freedom means more than their nation to them, and they would betray their nation and embrace freedom.
Well, it all depends on whether the enemy is actually "bringing freedom". I don't think America ever actually did that since WW2.
My thoughts indeed.
And it is hard to know if a nation is, unless your nation is so terribly riddled by fascism perhaps.
But yeah, I get you.
It is sometimes necessary to betray that which we love in order to be faithful to it.
Let me add as a reply to myself (which nobody reads!) the following:
* Being anti-American policy isn't being anti-American.
* Being anti-American policy isn't being pro-Russian.
* Explaining Russia's behavior isn't being pro-Russian.
* Socialism flat out doesn't work.
* All governments suck. Even an imagined ideal government sucks in a way since the whole concept is poisoned. But we must live with them.
* Governments dont' have to suck as bad as they do, they could suck less.
* I care about the people and their rights, all around the world.
I don't have a lot of data on how bad Russia's government is and in what ways, but I've never praised the Russian government and I expect it is a terrible government, just like all of the rest of them.
Some left-wing socialists tend to get stuck in an "America bad, everybody else is good" mentality. I'm talking about Norm Chomsky and his devotees like Aaron Mate, Chris Hedges, and the like. Not so much Glenn Greenwald, but even Glenn to a lesser degree.
I hear ideas from them like Venezuela would be a thriving socialist country if only America didn't interfere. Hogwash. Socialism doesn't work.
When I criticize American policy, I do not intend to glorify policies of foreign states, or the idealisms of socialism (heaven's sake!)
There. Now I have a post to point people to who infer things about my posts that I didn't write nor intend to imply.
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💯 great post!
Given a choice between people speaking out against what the US Government is doing vs. people who are in the US Government doing it, I could consider the people in the government to be worse on the disloyal or treasonous scale. It has gotten to the point that I have come to terms with the idea that the US Government fell in November 1963, and that we have been living in a zombie nation ever since.
Well said!
Nice, you forgot the “governments never learn from their mistakes, only people do”
Hey that is a good point.
Nice, well fucking said.
Non-Agression princeple > Nations
