Nostr Web Client

I actually hate mobile apps. Do you want to be cucked by Apple or cucked by Google? Or if you prefer, you can try React Native and by cucked by both Apple and Google at the same time. It feels like being stuck in the crossfire of two evil corporations. It's the app store industrial complex. Because they control the distribution platform, so they can bully you into conforming to their arbitrary demands.

Computers were built by hackers, and Free Software fought against its control for decades. Now to many people, smartphones are the ONLY computers, which were first built as TOYS. Now we're still working backwards to having freedom on them.

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Alex Gleason 10mo ago

And yet, people "NEED" native apps. They cannot comprehend anything but clicking "Install" in the app store. So it's almost like we've been forced into doing it.

HoloKat 10mo ago

Native app experience usually better.

Sjors Provoost 10mo ago

Indeed. I hate walled gardens and the entire concept of app stores, but not the native apps. You should just be able to download and install them from a website.

Zapstore 10mo ago

How do you get updates when you install from a website?

vnprc 10mo ago

I kind of enjoy watching people's brain melt when you tell them you're not installing an app. It never gets old.

Scoundrel 10mo ago

I think the context matters a lot. If it's a local program, if it connects to many unaffiliated actors, or if I want it always running in the background, then I much prefer to download a raw Android APK off the internet.

If it's for interacting with one organization and if I only want to run it occasionally, then I insist that it be a web service.

Currency of Distrust 10mo ago

I agree with you so much. Kowtowing to peoples lack of willingness to learn to do something as simple as PWAs is crazy. It could literally undermine the entire effort of Nostr.

El Guiri 10mo ago

Thoughts on graphene and installs from obtainium?

Alex Gleason 10mo ago

I use nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7emvv4shxmmwv96x7u3wv3jhvtmjv4kxz7gqyp2x308wkaxwxh95zu7uext5hhdvn6y55a9l84z0nj5tw42xqhy76kavkvg because I'm a thoughtful person with the ability to do it. But the world does not use Graphene or Obtainium/FossDroid/etc, so I cannot build a native app with the idea that average people will truly have the freedom to install it.

El Guiri 10mo ago

Modern development is only worth while if leveraging network effects which are essentially only accessible through walled gardens? That’s quite a challenge to overcome

FreedomTech 10mo ago

I set up kid safe Graphene phones for people, with kid a phone tracker logging to Nextcloud. Parents love that their kids can't access internet porn, can't install social media, and the fact their kid's data isn't being harvest and stored forever by Big Tech and 3-letters.

It's not as hard a sell with those benefits.

The Parents and kids have little issue running the phones.

e5bab168... 10mo ago

FOSS apks. Build it and people will come?

greenart7c3 10mo ago

Browsers are even worse. One example recently they removed support for using local apis.

If i'm using https://example.com i cant access http://192.168... without enabling a flag in the browser settings.

This broke many industrial applications and we had to teach people how to enable that flag.

There's no scape when building applications, every platform there's something that developers use and they will just remove/block or make it unusable

Alex Gleason 10mo ago

I respect what you and the Amethyst team are doing to provide options not dependent on tyrannical app stores. I'm mad at Apple and Google that it's an uphill battle (smartphone freedom) on top of an already difficult uphill battle (Nostr adoption).

greenart7c3 10mo ago

I know, I tried for months to get amber into the play store and when I was almost there they added some spaces at my LLC name, after that I just gave up.

People talk a lot about Apple but Google is way worse when you create a new dev account.

greenart7c3 10mo ago

Maybe one day we can finally change this.

Its a pain to get a new app there, but applications showing full screen ads can stay at the play store forever and nothing happens to them.

Every month I have to remove some of those apps from my parents phone because instead of using the files apps from the os they try to install App cleaners from the Play store

Zapstore 10mo ago

🫡

Rizful.com 10mo ago

This is why rizful.com is web-only. Going through app-store approval is just not something I can do with my life anymore.

Zapstore 10mo ago

👏

Rizful.com 10mo ago

I give a 25% - 50% chance however that at some point in the next few years, there will be an act in the U.S. Congress, or a big court cases, that reduces the ability of Google and Apple to censor apps. There's also the "progressive web app" thing which so far, as I can tell, is a disappointment, because you don't get access to the APIs you really need -- but it's possible that this matures into something more powerful.

Vitor Pamplona 10mo ago

The cool part is that you can focus your efforts on an awesome Web/desktop experience while I take care of the Android app for you.

Alex Gleason 10mo ago

And you are a hero for that.

El Guiri 10mo ago

Alex, ill try to give you a good real live community test for ditto but been to busy to try to get the right people together. Working on it

ImportantVideos 10mo ago

I think you are being unrealistic here, very close minded.

Amy 💜✨ 10mo ago

What's your thoughts on Passport Prime from nostr:npub1s0vtkgej33n7ec4d7ycxmwt78up8hpfa30d0yfksrshq7t82mchqynpq6j building a whole new open platform on a device with KeyOS - not designed to be like big tech but rather all open for people to choose at their own will. If and when people build apps on this it could be a very big step into freedom tools.

* I am affiliated I do work there- but curious on your thoughts ? *

https://foundation.xyz/2024/12/building-keyos/

jurraca 10mo ago

phones are computers. No one tells you this but you can just run programs on them ;)

Wonteet Zebugs 10mo ago

At least with Android, you have .apks

But yeah, I prefer desktops.