If we simply presume that Nostr clients will fall victim to the same old manipulative algo-driven, ad-based revenue models as other social networks, then it will probably happen. Please don’t presume that to be the outcome. If you are a builder, think outside the box. If you are a user, demand better and be willing to pay for it.
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I think we all agree here , if you can’t code yet you should be happy to chip in 😎
Imo, the last sentence will be the defining factor.
I for one welcome my algorithm overlords. As long as I have the on-off switch let them build
Content discovery algos I think are different, and I agree that having them as options can be helpful. Maybe I wouldn’t call them overlords 🤣 But if people become dependent on ad revenue to make money, then they will begin making design decisions to serve those ends, and I believe that’s where users really start to lose.
already paying for it here, nostr.wine nostr.land and nostr.build subs
currently use mainly coracle.social but sometimes primal.net but i'd use something like Gossip far in preference if i could also use it for dev but its relay connection algorithm messes with my needs as a relay dev
client side is where the scummy/scammy/fiat shit will mainly focus its attack but it's not going to matter by the time the normies cotton on to the idea of having a transportable social network ID that is sovereign (just back up 12 words!)
doesn't really hurt the rest of us in any way if some of the relays and clients are fiat because we can ignore them, and there's almost nothing they can do to stop us
that's also why you are starting to see stirrings in the idea of software developer licensing schemes that add a huge politburo type shit process to get everything stamped as acceptable and the reality is that this model is just going to utterly fail to do anything useful for anyone and we will be in late 80s soviet union in the West as a whole
Nostr should be at the forefront of v4v. There should be clients trying out new payment models. Nostr's main message to current and future users should be: Freedom ain't free.
v4v isn’t paying anybody’s bills.
it’s a start, and ideal trajectory, but loooong way from the finish line. meantime, sponsorships, premium features, merch, and zap splits will fill the gap. ads for these are a given.
Besides ads, all these would fit under the "experimenting" that nostr clients should be doing, that i mention.
Our addiction to ads and its extension, surveilance capitalism, to fund tech, is why we are walking into slavery as a society, if not already there. Its a new invention as important as corporate personhood.
If nostr and its culture relies on ads, it will eventually be captured. We got a head start with lightning, but are lagging behind by both a lack of alarm and implementation of things like fee to send (wherin each message costs sats. Money that goes to relays and devs)
I view the eventual capture of Nostr as the final gasp for freedom tech, libre and opensource. Why? Because the protocol and principal is composed of primitives. How could it be any simpler than a relay system with an agreed upon JSON file structure ? A simpler system would be derivative.
Bitcoin will eventually be captured. We had this small window to be free and it closes with Nostr, the only new real usecase for Bitcoin besides Stacker News, since the pizza. Literally nothing else has been interesting.
The interest in open and libre will die with Stalman and his generation, the next will be tiktok or whatever goldfish tech comes next (state mandated). All the talent will be starved and overwhelmed by the signal of and physical resources of proprietary backdoored hardware and software, and the human being will become a battery, a slow dissipating charge of random user needs and desires feeding data into the advertising-production system actively co-creating reality through planet wide orchestration.
Screecap this and tell me i'm wrong in five years.
I’ll say your right, right now. I’ll also say transitions will be slow.
ITMT we have to stay the course in our hearts AND trust that we have each others back AND win the hearts of others who don’t share this world view yet.
Given these, all tools are on the table for nostr devs and investors to keep roof over their head and maybe even turn a profit. IMHO
By the way is this thread and OP referering to a specific event ? Is this about Damus or something else going on ? I'm a bit OOL
AKAIK nostr:npub1lrnvvs6z78s9yjqxxr38uyqkmn34lsaxznnqgd877j4z2qej3j5s09qnw5 is just putting a PSA out there. Keep us all honest as we try to stay above water.
Yea, nothing specific related to anyone or any single client. Just seems to be a common sentiment I hear on Nostr. Like, we all say we want things to be different than other social networks, but then it also feels as if people just assume it’s going to fall victim to the same pitfalls eventually. Like it’s only a matter of time. I’d like to think there’s hope for something better if we are willing to try and pay our part.
I love that both can freely exist side by side.
Can they? Hasn’t worked out so well for the internet.
Sure. I agree current social media model is destructive. My preference is the non-manipulative non-ad driven clients and am willing to pay for that. Having a choice is good though. Ppl can choose what client experience they want and still interact with ppl that prefer other client experiences.
I’ve always thought that a %age of zapped sats should go to the client developers
