Because uh freedom and blockchains man
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It doesn’t even make sense. I send my posts to relays and I should be able to ask them to delete them.
Some ppl have accidentally posted really sensitive stuff and not allowing them to delete is super dumb. I know relays don’t have to accept deletes btw, I’m js.
I agree, the idea that an individual relay choosing to respect an individual user's request to delete a post that user made somehow creates centralized authority is insane. It's just basic decency. No one should expect it cus there's always the possibility of a relay operating in bad faith, but that's not a reason to do so yourselves.
Anyway I removed damus relays from my write list because I'm not going to write to them if they don't respect my delete requests. They also have a spam problem so I removed them from my global timeline list too.
I don’t think #[2] makes any relay stuff, I think he’s just referring to Damus. But yeah, I don’t get why he wouldn’t allow ppl to delete things.. iris does and it works.
Damus has it's own relays (I use them but they fill the global timeline with spam bots so I limited them to just follows and notifications), I assumed he was referring to them but if he's just depriving his users of the feature on the client that's pretty silly.
Except it doesn’t work because the posts aren’t deleted. Iris cannot delete posts, it just makes it look like it does.
I have used the delete feature and it works. I don't have a dog in this fight but "delete doesn't work" is objectively untrue.
What was the note that you deleted ? What did it say ?
Oooo challenge mode. :) Let me dig it up and share.
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I dunno, man, the whole thread is gone now. But I am bad at nostr, so maybe it's still out there somewhere. It was a 4am insomniac thread about the civ kit paper from 4/14. I deleted and reposted the first note like 3 times.
It seems maybe delete works too well. And when you don't tell it to. 😅
let's run an experiment #[8]
unreferenced note ID
note 1g6u85nfp4g502fa3xnjpvafd7tp069wfsdv7z7sxme7j0yv4ttqsa90kx0
I could write a bot that listens to all your posts and writes them to a relay that doesn’t delete anything . People will do this with archiving bots eventually. The only delete that will ever work is one that doesn’t send the note in the first place (delayed send)
For Gods sake, don’t create this bot. Let us hide our awkwardness #[8] 😂
At most I may consider “request delete” with no hiding in the UI, as that will be a more honest version of the delete function.
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a transparent edit option is much more clear nostr:note1lvzf4yrlwdg5dzkem7wsmsetj35cl2xthu0yq3k4c77e9shj9crqw077xq
yes agreed
I think that’s a good approach but just because someone can archive or screenshot your posts doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to delete them.
It's better to have the functionality with the notification that it might not be respected/work than not have it.
It’s weird because you presumably only use relays you trust somewhat so you should be able to delete. But on fedi DMs aren’t even encrypted so admins can see your posts and images but nobody seems to care about that.
Well the issue is anyone can submit your notes to any relays they want, so if someone was autistic enough they could just make a bot which automatically submitted your notes to a relay which didn't respect deletes. Or they could just save the notes and submit them once they are deleted.
Anyone can rebroadcast any note to any relay. Since a note which is valid is complete as is and there is no need of resigning or whatever to reboradcast. If you bitcoin, then think of a singed note like of a signed transaction.
Both of the notes referenced above have been disappeared from my client. Maybe it's a UI trick. I have not explored the system very deeply.
Yeah you "could" cause delete to fail by backing up other ppls notes but IMO this is not a reason to not implement the feature. People want the option to submit a delete request. It might or might not work, such is the nature of a decentralized system. 🤷
Are you sure? Because I had to “delete” them like a thousand times and then they were gone.