Btc fees… how will those work with massive adoption?
#asknostr
Btc fees… how will those work with massive adoption?
#asknostr
The same they work now.
What does that even mean? How they work now is not scalable, is way to expensive.
No its not.. move to lightning for spending.. we have countries running on this already and its tick tock next block.
Bad actors will always try and make you pay high fees. The network is robust works like a charm no needs any changes
Also bitcoin is a low time preference lifestyle meaning for me it works perfect because i dont plan on doing 16 purchases in one day of coffee snacks lunch snack dinner drinks breakfast. All that i can cook at home and make 2 transactions a week for the food supply. I dont know thats the way i see it.
They fees are nothing compared to the cost of credit card fees 1-5% you pay one way or another at retailers and lost interest on 3-30 day clearing times for checks.
Instant money, no rules, no restrictions. No bank holding your funds, dictating access, reporting monetary transactions = Freedom
I don’t think they are nothing. When the network is congested the fees can get really expensive… like 10% for a single transaction…
If I wanted to use bitcoin to pay for ever transaction in my day, like my transport, Food, shopping etc, would I have to pay this amount for each transaction or be willing to wait hours to get a confirmation?
True, it’s not a perfect solution yet, the more nodes, the more adoption, the more it scales. The more innovation in the future. There is hope
Thanks… ❤️
An other question I have… nodes don’t get any rewards do they? Why aren’t they getting the fees?
I don’t know the answer to that, i believe they do get fees, but I’m not a coder only a mechanic/inventor/repurposer. nostr:npub15879mltlln6k8jy32k6xvagmtqx3zhsndchcey8gjyectwldk88sq5kv0n nostr:npub1h8nk2346qezka5cpm8jjh3yl5j88pf4ly2ptu7s6uu55wcfqy0wq36rpev nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8 would be better to ask your questions too.
Thanks ❤️
Nodes don’t get fees, only those contributing POW (miners). This is because nodes don’t have a cost and can be Sybil attacked. There’s no way to distinguish a “real” from a “fake” node. This is an important part of why node costs must remain low, because the only incentive to run one is self defense & it’s voluntary. If the cost is ever too high, fewer will run them and the security/decentralization of the network will be at risk.
As far as fees, they will continue to increase. They will likely get so high as to make anything less than $1,000-$10,000 settlements have disproportionately high fees. This is similar to Fedwire, our current settlement network that is centralized and permissioned. I think the median Tx size is like $5 mil or something.
Many people can only see disaster when this comes up but fail to see what this means for the network demand and the market that forms around this. The nature of the tools we have like Taproot and then the ability to various signature aggregation techniques (then add in new opcodes like CTV), means that this fee cost will be highly distributed among many parties and service providers. In other words, every UTXO will act as settlement for 100s or 1,000s of individual payments made on higher layers. And most people will interact with the base layer only when something goes terribly wrong, and in that case a $50-$100 fee to settle & exit with your entire financial wealth where no govt can contest it isn’t a high fee to pay at all.
I also increasingly think there will be a form of shared custody “insurance” like service for these sorts of things, whether it acts as a collective exit clause for large groups to batch in the case of emergency, or if it just ends up being a small on going service fee that aggregates a pool for on chain settlement, regardless I think these sorts of non-custodial or programmatic services will be commonplace as the base layer becomes the world’s open, stateless monetary settlement layer.
Normal bitcoin nodes don't get any fees, only miners, LN routing nodes can earn small fees. Normal bitcoin nodes don't earn fees because because they don't do any work, they help decentralization but only the miners do real work and spend energy securing the network, they discover blocks, they are the ones that do the proof of work, others do not.