Its capitalists that create tyranny. How many workplaces are democratic? Capitalism is a religion forced on most of the world.
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Most workers wouldn't have a clue how to operate a business and if voting was the way decisions were made the business would surely fail.
This is about the fattest brushstroke on the internet.
Then go build that democratic company from the ground up with your commie scum friends. I'll wait.
This one doesn’t know how to. Slaver through to their core. You just mute people who can’t see a path for life without subjugating someone else. They are simply horrible people.
I am not the one calling someone commie scum and shouting fuck off, just for challenging the logic of your post, which ironically proves the point. Capitalists cant engage with anyone who disagrees with them. They hate democracy and free speech. Thats why workplaces don't have either.
Facebook, Twitter Google - all of them run by greedy capitalists, all of them suppress free speech and democracy. But sure blame bogey man communists that don't even exist. And when that fails pretend its corporatism - as if that is any differnt - capitalists (as marx said) have always used the power of the state to keep their wealth. And I believe there are no examples of a capitalist that does not, anywhere on earth, but feel free to give me one.
There will always be power imbalances in a large society. Centralized systems = increasingly imbalance power
Decentralized = individual potential for rebalancing
Workplaces are not democratic (right - they're not designed to be democratic). It doesn't follow that capitalism creates tyranny.
Unfortunately, capitalism often devolves into corporatism (this has happened very clearly in the US), which is highly centralized, whereas socialism in a large society begins with centralization.
Capitalism just means you try to build capital. Capital is anything useful. There's a lot of wiggle room to design different systems on top of the idea of capitalism.
Clear definitions are good for clear thinking.
Why don’t you try a democratic company with your own funds and resources that you own and just see how it goes?
Nobody is stopping anyone from doing that. 🤷🏻♂️
Someone tried that around my way. It was run as a 'cooperative'. Everyone made the decisions in a group. Eventually, the business folded. There are other reasons, but in the long run it came down to too few people doing all the work and getting fed up with it as they realised they should be rewarded more than those who did near nothing.
It was a vegan takeaway, btw.
Obviously.
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Valve has a democratic horizontal structure, its doing very well. I'd also argue they produced some of the best games ever made. However they are run on deeply capitalist principles and that makes them exploit their users (as has been laid out in numerous articles by many people). The problem isn't democracy (or even the lack of it) so much as capitalism, which encourages tyranny because being tyrannical is profitable - and its the same argument pro capitalists used against so called socialist leaders - they become corrupted by money. But so do capitalists, which is why nobody can name a large high value corporation that does not behave tyrannical.
I think a good way to think about this is to turn it around. Whatever your job is - operating a machine, handling a certain kind of documents, etc. - do you think it could be done better through democracy within the company than by yourself? You who obviously have the education and/or talent for it, since you were hired, and the first-hand experience of doing it for however long you've been doing it.
Probably not. And just the time it would take to vote on every button to push, every word to write, etc. would slow things down considerably.
The same goes for the people deciding. That's their job, and if they don't do it properly, they, just like you, risk not getting a raise, getting a pay cut, or being fired. Only not by a superior in the company, but by the market.
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I never said democracy was a good idea. I just pointed out that without it you have usually get tyranny. And that (from a societal point of view) is worse. But throw in Capitalism and that ususally becomes guaranteed. Name a large high value corporation that isn't tyrannical.
True, there probably are few to none. However the tried alternatives have been worse (see the Soviet union or East Germany). I don't know if there is a solution that's actually good. Some think that in a perfectly free market, corporations wouldn't grow to such sizes, but I doubt that's correct.
The tried alternatives are worse? You have no idea how much further these tyrannical corporations are going to go. And lets look at how far they have already gone: destroying the planet, poisoning our water, driving mass inequality, slavery around the world, wars in foreign countries to steal resources, millions of unnecessary deaths, mostly civilians. Are you sure its worse than East Germany? And for who? dpends which side of those guns/drones/cobalt mines you are sitting. But regardless, can get much worse, Blackrock isn't about to relinquish its capital. Because that would be anti capitalist.
the soviet union caused some of the worst environmental disasters in the whole world. taking away the profit motive won't save the environment.
the war thing is really just democracy. under democracy, everyone becomes an enemy combatant and every piece of property becomes a munition. wars are more destructive and last longer under democracy. there have been no gentleman's wars since the beginning of modern democracy.
Many east Germans believe they were better off before capitalist unification than they are today. The wealth and employment gap between those living in west vs east in todays Germany is significant. Capitalism today is more totalitarian than communism of yesteryear, and there is no greater example of that than the intense surveillance of the population by of the tech capitalists in the richest nations on earth. The Stasi could never have dreamed of the kind of survelillence power capitalism has given to corporations. Surveillance Capitalism is the most burtal and oppressive form of governance in existence. And its going to get much worse. Elon musks america is a fascist state worse than any 'communist' state that preceded it.
One of the worst currently is China though. But I agree that surveillance capitalism is also a problem.
The UK has more CCTV per capita than China (the highest in the world). It also has more prisoners per capita than China, not as much as the US though. China invests in its people, in infrastructure, schools, healthcare, roads, high speed rail etc. - something the US does not do much anymore because the US is run by profit seeking megacorporations and china is run by govnts that limit what those corporations can do, and a govnt that taxes corps properly so it can invest in the people and its nation.
Did apple force you to buy an iPhone with a gun to your head?
No? Fuck off.
You either buy google or apple. Little choice, and nobody (and I mean NOBODY ) agrees with all their terms and conditions ie nobody thinks they are good, fair and reasonable - they have no choice if they want a mobile phone. And other companies just can't compete with their nefarious monopoly, and where they try most can't afford to buy.