this thread is so funny to me, #only on nostr
the entire internet is not private. including tor. so singling out nostr, yeah can you see how this is not a good marketing technique 😂
poor nostr. we are all too smart for our own good. gg vc funds. 😅
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Constant bickering between devs is what will bring Nostr to the masses 🚀🌝
The bickering is what keeps this place minimally acceptable to me. Otherwise, we would have been run over by false promises a long time ago.
Best part of nostr
I think what nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgswaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6mmd9u2mk7fe is saying is for a normie to 'trust' a nostr relay provider, the relay provider must be a doxxed liable company that promises not to share your IP address with anyone unless they're under duress.
And then if they are under duress, they have a proper canary EULA that can be taken down on a deadman's switch.
If that's what customers want, I can update the EULAs in my next release of relay.tools as we are already mostly there. ⚡zap it if you like it.
Not really. I don't trust single companies to not track things. It is better when they do put that into the eula, but It won't make me call them a privacy tool. I don't trust Signal or SimpleX and in that way I don't call them privacy tool. I think every company will succumb to the desires of the state and trust none of them can truly make things private.
To me, privacy is implemented mostly by Clients through scrambling the transport and application data to "private" relays as much as possible and in ways that there is no way to disable it.
huh, well, sorry to say that technology does not exist.
Agree. But I don't think it is impossible to build. Just that nobody has found a good way yet.
Most of the companies that tried failed not because it was impossible but because it is very difficult to resist the incentives against it.
nostr differs from how similar services on the internet work in that the data is both much public and distributed across servers run by different people. Any one of those server operators could potentially try to violate user privacy.
It's not really singling out nostr, just stating facts.
true. although nostr is still a service where we can hope is decentralized enough to still be allowed to even use vpn.. bigtech services are all implementing vpn blocklists, tearing down that last semblance of privacy. (and cloudflare fogettaboutit)
Also you can just encrypt stuff, in a way that it's impossible for even relays to know who is whom, as long as you use a VPN. I don't think why we are deliberately underselling this, probably because it doesn't meet an imaginary gold standard.