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I don't like gangs, I am an anarchist. I am against all of that shit. I am just being pithy because when people conflate cultural assimilation with social disruption it rubs me wrong. There's an obvious difference between a German national bringing sausages to the American continent and Mexican/ Salvadoran nationals bringing blood fueds and gang violence. (Which seems to be the impetus for the "fuck the foreigners" sentiment) I'm not an autist about culture which most libertarians and an-caps seem to be.
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Bill Cypher 6mo ago đź’¬ 3

The aggressor is wrong, simple core of ancap morality about violence.

Pretty clear to me that America is more violent when ICE is on their bullshit. Makes sense since only a small % of hispanics are in gangs. The war on Hispanics, don't buy their propaganda words, is just racism and the American government is the aggressor. This is easier to spot as an anarchist, since "the border" is an imaginary line made up by a government that has no moral authority to draw lines.

It doesn't even look a little like law enforcement action against gangs. They are just rounding up Hispanics because they happen to have the same skin color as some gang members. Should we arrest all the blacks at random on the off chance they are part of the crips or bloods? Should we arrest japanese because they might be yakuza? Should we arrest all whites at random because of the chance they might be Aryan Brotherhood?

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furio 6mo ago đź’¬ 1

Calls out a strawman, then injects several a note later.

Wake me up when ICE does literally any of the things you accuse them of.

Just move away, the law here doesn’t seem to agree with you.

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago

Dude, they black bagged an American citizen while wearing masks, no ID, and no plates on their cars.

Who is breaking the law here? Not me.

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago đź’¬ 5

I already know where you are headed next, non citizens don't have rights.

Core tenet of the American legal system is innocent until proven guilty. Every single person detained by ICE should be treated with all rights due an American citizen until a court trial has proven they are not citizens. By law. Because they are innocent of illegally crossing the border until a guilty verdict has been rendered.

I don't believe in Americas laws, but somehow I still respect them more than you. I'll happily point out your hypocrisy when you come around telling me I'm the one not respecting the law.

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furio 6mo ago đź’¬ 1

Two scenarios:

1. You visit France, they ask how long you’ll be there, you say 1 week.

2. In the dark of night you smuggle your family into France.

In either scenario, 2 years later you have a job and don’t pay taxes* and the French ICE finds you.

How do you expect to be treated?

1. Be given cash, pre-paid debit cards, legal assistance, and amnesty?

Or:

2. Be deported.

It’s convenient that you say you “don’t believe in Americas laws” then criticize ICE for violating them. So it seems you want to choose “which laws” are important for LE to follow, and which ones should be ignored.

In this country you don’t get to be the arbiter of your select few laws. You can definitely scream at the internet all you want, but you may be more effective just watching ICE do their job, as congress directed granted them.

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saywhat 6mo ago

Maybe think of it as payback for hundreds of years of colonization?

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago đź’¬ 3

France isn't having their gestapo jump out and nab their own citizens off the streets and lock them up without offering them any contact with the outside world. America is.

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furio 6mo ago

Deflection. If you don’t have an argument, deflect.

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Badsamm 6mo ago

US citizens are being nabbed off the streets?

Where and why?

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago đź’¬ 2

Don't waste your breathe. You've been blocked.

I have better things to do than argue with a bootlicker who would support any government atrocity, you have jumped in my conversations to assert that you would multiple times.

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Green 6mo ago đź’¬ 1

"Bet! No need to keep it going, I see where you stand. Enjoy your echo chamber, fam. 🖤✌️"

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furio 6mo ago

There’s always bluesky. You only wanna hear one side, and have a liberal safe space.

I enjoy discussing things with people whose ideas seem crazy to me.

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furio 6mo ago

Blocking is a great demo of the power of this platform.

If you like your echo chamber and want to avoid hearing from people you disagree with, you have that right.

I’m here cuz Twitter decided to filter one half of the debate for me during the Biden years. That doesn’t work here.

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furio 6mo ago

“Innocent until proven guilty” in your context is incorrect.

Deportation is civil, and the burden switches to the immigrant to prove their right to remain in the US.

And my * for not paying taxes. Yes immigrants pay eleventy billion in taxes, I’ve heard all the claims. But the tax burden on a number of illegals is *significantly less* than the same number of law-abiding citizens. They don’t pay 100% of what they owe , and a large number don’t pay any.

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago đź’¬ 1

If this is truly civil with no burden of proof on the government then you just poofed away the rights of every citizen with that legal opinion. You can simply assert they aren't citizens, non citizens aren't promised any contact with the outside world while detained to acquire proof of citizenship, deport.

With that reasoning there is no purpose for most of our laws or legal opinions, the government is free to do anything they want to any person at any time.

If you support that bullshit you are truly a authoritarian asswipe.

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furio 6mo ago

“Support” or not, it’s the law

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JackTheMimic 6mo ago đź’¬ 1

I would say in an anarchist world ICE is stupid, publicly owned borders are stupid, and welfare and socialized medicine is stupid. We don't live in that world however, so I would say I would hope the gangs do the least bad thing.

The USG gang should abolish themselves but short of that stop allowing people to invade other people's property.

The MS13 should abolish themselves but short of that, stop invading other people's property.

The bloods and crips should abolish themselves but short of that stop violating other people's property.

See the pattern here?

Forced association and forced disassociation are not equal evils. The isolationist position is preferable to the invasionists position because the isolationists are only hurting their productivity. Whereas invasionists hurt others productivity. AGAIN I would rather the gangs all abolish themselves first and foremost.

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago đź’¬ 1

Invade? Your using their terms again. Can't invade a place that isn't real.

Since their travels into that land are mostly individually voluntary associations with local landowners to buy or rent individual places there is nothing immoral to oppose.

Any government intervention in those individual voluntary associations is them acting as the violent aggressor.

If you don't want the government to stay out of every voluntary association you aren't an anarchist you are a statist who wants a different kind of state.

I can't blink them out of existence, but I can do what I can at each place I see them disrupting peaceful voluntary association.

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JackTheMimic 6mo ago

Property is real...I don't know what you are getting from what I write. If I am forced (by the government) to allow my hotel to be used for housing being bribed or shutdown, that is forced association.

Also it isn't at all clear to me that "public property" should have no rules (because if it were private property it certainly would). If they do exist and enforce rules they should do so fairly to the extent that it does least harm. If public resources are being used on those native to the public property versus for those foreign to it, that seems less harmful and appropriate.

The second paragraph is not in aggregate, true. Much like it is incentivized by the government to be a leech than a productive person (gives them more control) there is an incentive to have people who are constantly fearful of being arrested to have a compliant group that are easily controlled. (Why democrats tend to want immigrants) OR a cheaper exploitable working class (why republicans tend to want immigrants). Either way deportation is a neutralizing act that orders a procedure for association.

AGAIN, I wish that everyone could freely associate and live in a place without a gang controlling them.

I am not advocating for deportation or intervention. I am making the point that the cultural sentiment that foreigners are being disruptive to the cultural milieu is not hypocritical to embracing foreign cultural assimilations. This is an EQ thing not a logical deduction.

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Bill Cypher 6mo ago

This is government did a bad thing therefore government must fix it reasoning. They love that because it rewards their infinite incompetence with infinite power.

They must simply stop. That is all I ask. Do nothing. I'd like them to stop the most violent things first. These days that is the wars and ICE.

It is morally more important to me that they respect the bodily sovereignty of human beings than who they give little worthless green pieces of paper they printed up.